Re: CCIE Amnesty?

Actually - it is pretty close to impossible for a CCIE's number to be used
without his or her knowledge and consent.

So again, the problem and the punishment fall on the CCIE.

The CCIE cannot plead ignorance. The CCIE agreed to the agreement as a part
of accepting to 1. take the lab 2. agreement with the terms and
stipulations.

If a CCIE's digits are being used without his or her consent - this would be
interesting since a partner or other person would wither have to be very
intimate with the CCIE or have totally hacked the CCIE's profile.

Either way the CCIE is an investment.

If a person is so careless to let it simply get stripped in such a manner,
then the CCIE probably is not using it anyway.

CCIE's are not the lowest people on the food chain when it comes to
intellect and ability to research so....

Most CCIE's would be hard to take advantage of in this manner.

Therefore if one's digits are being used, it would be reasonable to safely
assume the CCIE had knowledge of what had transpired.

And when found out would totally understand the consequences of his or her
actions.

Agreed?

Not many naive CCIE's out there - If there are - how did they pass the lab
anyway...

On Mon, Jul 27, 2009 at 10:06 AM, NN Kumar <nagendra.cisco_at_gmail.com> wrote:

> Darby,
>
> Your point is right when a CCIE is associating his ID with a partner whom
> with he is not working. I agree, the candidate deserves the punishment of
> being stripped with his certificates.
>
> But my concern is, If a partner goes for audit in some country showing few
> CCIEs are associated in that country where in real, those CCIEs neither have
> work permit for those country nor living in that country, but working as
> part of the company in different country. How will the candiate knows that
> his ID is misused.?.
>
> Regards,
> Nag
>
>
> On Mon, Jul 27, 2009 at 7:12 PM, Darby Weaver <ccie.weaver_at_gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> I am still not sure whether their is any "law" or "legal" repurcussion.
>>
>> I candidate signs an agreement saying how he or whe will use the
>> certifciation within specifications as specified by Cisco.
>>
>> If the candidate, the ONLY person who can assign his/her own number to a
>> partner, does so... then the partner is not at fault because the CCIE was an
>> idiot.
>>
>> The CCIE when caught up with either in the current year or in later years
>> as deemed appropriate by Cisco will be stripped of a CCIE and probably for
>> life.
>>
>> The CCIE and not the parter, has made a conscious decision to DEVALUE the
>> CCIE progam. It is the CCIE who will always suffer the AXE, not the
>> partner.
>>
>> The partner will have to find another CCIE else lose the partnership.
>>
>> The CCIE will have to find another certification program to defraud.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Jul 27, 2009 at 5:33 AM, NN Kumar <nagendra.cisco_at_gmail.com>wrote:
>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> I think it is not fair to strip an individual's certificates when the
>>> employer is trying to cheat Cisco. Normally, the company will not let know
>>> the individual where his certificate is being associated. In such case, how
>>> would any one get to know there is something illegal association happening
>>> with his certificate?.
>>>
>>> Is there any cisco mail list where we can confirm if this is legal or
>>> not?.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sun, Jul 26, 2009 at 8:26 PM, Darby Weaver <ccie.weaver_at_gmail.com>wrote:
>>>
>>>> I think it is not so much a legal issue.
>>>>
>>>> Cisco would probably just strip the person's certifications.
>>>>
>>>> On Sun, Jul 26, 2009 at 9:14 AM, Cisco League <
>>>> ciscoleague_at_googlemail.com>wrote:
>>>>
>>>> > What if you are asked to attach your CCO to a country where you are
>>>> not
>>>> > employed.
>>>> > Example: You work for a company having offices in countries A,B and C.
>>>> The
>>>> > company has a partner status in country A and B but not C. You are
>>>> employed
>>>> > in country A but asked to attach your CCO to country C thus helping
>>>> the
>>>> > company to get partner status in country C. Now where does the company
>>>> and
>>>> > the candidate stand with respect to legal aspect and possible
>>>> repercussions
>>>> > to the candidate if this comes to notice of Cisco.
>>>> > To my understanding you should be employed in the country where your
>>>> CCIE
>>>> > numbers is being used to gain partner status.
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > On Sun, Jul 26, 2009 at 1:16 PM, Darby Weaver <ccie.weaver_at_gmail.com>
>>>> > wrote:
>>>> >
>>>> > > Considering there is a process to become a partner - I don't think
>>>> it is
>>>> > > easy to become registered with a Partner without one's own notice.
>>>> > Unless
>>>> > > they have all your usernames, passwords, CSCO Number/Password, etc.
>>>> >
>>>> >
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