Re: CCIE Amnesty?

Hi,

Valid question, was on my mind for long. Thanks for asking.
I'l be waiting to hear on this from experts. More importantly whether this
is legal and does it have repercussions for the CCIE individual.
In theory your ID is being used in a country where you are not employed.

Cheers,
CiscoLeague

On Sun, Jul 26, 2009 at 6:34 AM, NN Kumar <nagendra.cisco_at_gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi All,
>
> I heard people saying that, If a company is CSC partner for Cisco, they can
> associate CCIE to other country even though the individuals are not
> physically located in that country. For exampe, if the company is applying
> for gold certificaqtion in some country say US and the associated CCIEs are
> in Singapore/India. Is it leagal?.
>
> Will it be a problem for the company or the certified individual?
>
> Regards,
> Nag
>
>
> On 7/25/09, Larry Hadrava <larryh_at_ipexpert.com> wrote:
> >
> > Johnny:
> > If a partner is using your number and you are logged into CCO with the
> > account associated then you should something like this after you log in.
> >
> > http://cisco.com/en/US/*partner/* <http://cisco.com/en/US/partner/>
> >
> > If you see this and you are not affiliated with a partner then I'd
> > investigate it.
> >
> > Thanks
> > Larry Hadrava
> > CCIE #12203 CCNP
> > Sr. Support Engineer IPexpert, Inc.
> > URL: http://www.IPexpert.com
> >
> >
> > On Fri, Jul 24, 2009 at 8:02 AM, Jonny English
> > <redkidneybeans_at_gmail.com>wrote:
> >
> > > how do you know if your ccie number has been associated with a company?
> > Can
> > > a company associate your number with them with you not even knowing
> about
> > > it?
> > >
> > > On Wed, Jul 22, 2009 at 6:30 AM, darth router <
> darklordrouter_at_gmail.com
> > > >wrote:
> > >
> > > > Yep, fully agree here. It's like policing the drug addict, rather
> than
> > > the
> > > > drug dealer. In these examples the dealers happen to be making cisco
> a
> > > ton
> > > > of money so get a slap on the wrist, and are made to do things
> > > > legitimately!! Wow, such a punishment, doing things legit :D
> Meanwhile,
> > a
> > > > cert holder can be stripped of his livelyhood. They really need to
> put
> > > that
> > > > in the CCIE's terms of use. The CCIE should not have to understand
> the
> > > > partners reqs towards partnership, as those are business objectives
> of
> > > the
> > > > partner and a bit out of the scope of the CCIE's personal terms of
> use.
> > > >
> > > > On Tue, Jul 21, 2009 at 8:12 AM, <sheherezada_at_gmail.com> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Few thoughts about this:
> > > > >
> > > > > 1) I don't remember a policy that I signed as CCIE individual that
> > > > > specifically forbids the 'renting' practice. It is the partner
> policy
> > > > > that forbids the practice, so CCIEs might be unaware of it. Please
> > > > > show me where it is posted.
> > > > > 2) Partners do not get punished for violating the policy. I know at
> > > > > least one example. OK, that partner was founded by a proeminent
> > > > > distributor...
> > > > >
> > > > > Anyway, good to know.
> > > > >
> > > > > Mihai
> > > > >
> > > > > On Tuesday, July 21, 2009, Nickelby Thane <
> nickelby.thane_at_gmail.com>
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > Larry beat me to posting this ;-).
> > > > > >
> > > > > > It's a pity though those two lose their CCIEs for renting them to
> a
> > > > > company
> > > > > > that actually needs them. I would have that company blacklisted
> as
> > a
> > > > > Cisco
> > > > > > sales channel partner (be it gold, silver, etc.). Reason? If
> every
> > > > > company
> > > > > > can do this "Rent-A-Cert" kind of thing, the CCIE market would
> > > suffer.
> > > > A
> > > > > > company does not need to have a CCIE on its payroll hence saving
> it
> > > > money
> > > > > > from an employment standpoint but instead gain a gold, silver,
> etc
> > > > status
> > > > > > from Cisco. The CCIE instead gets a fraction of what he/she is
> > > supposed
> > > > > to
> > > > > > be paid for this.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Like Eman mentioned, these CCIEs originally 'rented' out their
> > certs
> > > > > since
> > > > > > their current company does not need CCIEs. But if that's the
> case,
> > > why
> > > > > don't
> > > > > > these guys find an employer that does? I believe they would earn
> > much
> > > > > better
> > > > > > utilizing their CCIEs rather than renting them out. Perhaps the
> > > economy
> > > > > in
> > > > > > their country is not encouraging or perhaps they have other
> reasons
> > > but
> > > > > > whatever that reason is, I would strongly suggest you guys/girls
> to
> > > > check
> > > > > > with Eman if you're not sure about how to go around issues like
> > this.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Warmest regards,
> > > > > > Nickelby Thane
> > > > > > Personal Blog : http://nthane.blogspot.com
> > > > > > CCIE Blog : http://cciecisco.blogspot.com
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On Tue, Jul 21, 2009 at 6:03 AM, Darby Weaver <
> > ccie.weaver_at_gmail.com
> > > >
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > >> Apparently it is no longer safe to assume one can rent one's
> > > > > certifications
> > > > > >> without repurcussion.
> > > > > >>
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