Re: OT: Cisco Certified Architect

Understood. I guess my point was that to me it is sort of a joke to put the written on your resume. You are either CCIE or not. For that reason and because I have a great respect for the cert I refused to put it on my resume until I fully earned the whole thing.

Regards,

Joe Astorino - CCIE #24347 R&S
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-----Original Message-----
From: Gary Duncanson <gary.duncanson_at_googlemail.com>

Date: Thu, 23 Jul 2009 01:43:57
To: Joe Astorino<jastorino_at_ipexpert.com>
Cc: <ccielab_at_groupstudy.com>
Subject: Re: OT: Cisco Certified Architect

I know hiring managers who hire people who do have it on their resume Joe.

If you are CCIE, CCIE written or even 'nothing'. There is a good job waiting
for someone somewhere if they have the 'goods'.

Depends who's interviewing. Depends who's being interviewed.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Joe Astorino" <jastorino_at_ipexpert.com>
To: "Persio Pucci" <persio_at_gmail.com>; "CCIE Groupstudy"
<ccielab_at_groupstudy.com>
Sent: Thursday, July 23, 2009 1:25 AM
Subject: Re: OT: Cisco Certified Architect

>I know hiring managers that refuse to hire people listing "CCIE (written)"
>on their resume haha
>
>
> Regards,
>
> Joe Astorino - CCIE #24347 R&S
> Technical Instructor - IPexpert, Inc.
> Cell: +1.586.212.6107
> Fax: +1.810.454.0130
> Mailto: jastorino_at_ipexpert.com
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Persio Pucci <persio_at_gmail.com>
>
> Date: Wed, 22 Jul 2009 21:17:52
> To: Cisco certification<ccielab_at_groupstudy.com>
> Subject: Re: OT: Cisco Certified Architect
>
>
> Well... I still think that if somebody that needs a CCIE is willing to
> accept a "CCIE written", then it is:
> a) not in need of a CCIE (does not make a difference for him);
> b) looking for somebody that has the skills of a CCIE but did not pass the
> lab (yet/flunked for whatever reason) and is going to pay him LESS than a
> CCIE avg salary (saving pennies);
> c) buying a lottery ticket and hopes to cash on it (get a CCIE for the
> price
> of a CCNP, only a matter of months, tie his number to the company, etc)
> d) HR posted the opening and does not have a clue
>
> And also I agree with you, but want to highlight the be IF, and I quote:
>
> So I wouldn't say the CCIE Written is without merit and *if* honestly
> earned
>> it has a lot challenges that are of the exact caliber experienced in the
>> CCIE Lab.
>
>
> And honestly, I think that if somebody tries to use "CCIE written" as a
> merit for a job application, it is probably because it does not deserve
> the
> merit... Even worst if that is as far as the person goes.
>
> (and again... all that is the way I see it and think about it... not an
> absolute truth)
>
> I also agree with Gary... the written (and the ICND tests, for that
> matter)
> have gone so deep and specific bit-wise or sometimes is so poorly written
> that sometimes being a CCIE is not enough to pass it (let's say in case of
> a
> recert). I used dumps on the firs written I took looooong time ago (I
> think
> it was 2002). I passed with 76 (but failed the lab). I took the written
> again last year, no dumps... I got 73, belly-scrapping and all... and
> passed
> the lab.
>
> Just my 2c...
>
> On Wed, Jul 22, 2009 at 4:03 PM, Darby Weaver <ccie.weaver_at_gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Agreed no war.
>>
>> However go to your favorite job search site and take a look at how many
>> jobs
>> are requesting or will accept the CCIE Written as a qualifying metric for
>> the job.
>>
>> Now if this number is the same or greater than for a CCIE. The exam does
>> have a little more merit than a CCENT or CCNA.
>>
>> Here's some examples (only 11 met the search criteria):
>>
>>
>> http://jobsearch.monster.com/Search.aspx?brd=1&q=%22ccie%20written%22&cy=us&lid=316&re=130
>>
>> However many jobs that may require a CCNP or CCIE, seem to respect a CCIE
>> Written as an example of a certain level of skill when accompanied by a
>> certain amount of OJT.
>>
>> So much to the effect that headhunters that need an actual CCIE, actually
>> specify this these days in the adverts.
>>
>> So I wouldn't say the CCIE Written is without merit and if honestly
>> earned
>> it has a lot challenges that are of the exact caliber experienced in the
>> CCIE Lab. Except a person 100 questions in a lot less time.
>>
>> Now since many people get by this exam as fast as possible - one's
>> results
>> may vary. However, it is a challenging exam and is like the OEQ's in
>> terms
>> of the average level of difficulty enountered... on average.
>>
>> So I still think it has something of a placeholder. And besides it
>> renews
>> a
>> lot of other certs too.
>>
>>
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