Re: OT: Cisco Certified Architect

Well... I still think that if somebody that needs a CCIE is willing to
accept a "CCIE written", then it is:
a) not in need of a CCIE (does not make a difference for him);
b) looking for somebody that has the skills of a CCIE but did not pass the
lab (yet/flunked for whatever reason) and is going to pay him LESS than a
CCIE avg salary (saving pennies);
c) buying a lottery ticket and hopes to cash on it (get a CCIE for the price
of a CCNP, only a matter of months, tie his number to the company, etc)
d) HR posted the opening and does not have a clue

And also I agree with you, but want to highlight the be IF, and I quote:

So I wouldn't say the CCIE Written is without merit and *if* honestly earned
> it has a lot challenges that are of the exact caliber experienced in the
> CCIE Lab.

And honestly, I think that if somebody tries to use "CCIE written" as a
merit for a job application, it is probably because it does not deserve the
merit... Even worst if that is as far as the person goes.

(and again... all that is the way I see it and think about it... not an
absolute truth)

I also agree with Gary... the written (and the ICND tests, for that matter)
have gone so deep and specific bit-wise or sometimes is so poorly written
that sometimes being a CCIE is not enough to pass it (let's say in case of a
recert). I used dumps on the firs written I took looooong time ago (I think
it was 2002). I passed with 76 (but failed the lab). I took the written
again last year, no dumps... I got 73, belly-scrapping and all... and passed
the lab.

Just my 2c...

On Wed, Jul 22, 2009 at 4:03 PM, Darby Weaver <ccie.weaver_at_gmail.com> wrote:

> Agreed no war.
>
> However go to your favorite job search site and take a look at how many
> jobs
> are requesting or will accept the CCIE Written as a qualifying metric for
> the job.
>
> Now if this number is the same or greater than for a CCIE. The exam does
> have a little more merit than a CCENT or CCNA.
>
> Here's some examples (only 11 met the search criteria):
>
>
> http://jobsearch.monster.com/Search.aspx?brd=1&q=%22ccie%20written%22&cy=us&lid=316&re=130
>
> However many jobs that may require a CCNP or CCIE, seem to respect a CCIE
> Written as an example of a certain level of skill when accompanied by a
> certain amount of OJT.
>
> So much to the effect that headhunters that need an actual CCIE, actually
> specify this these days in the adverts.
>
> So I wouldn't say the CCIE Written is without merit and if honestly earned
> it has a lot challenges that are of the exact caliber experienced in the
> CCIE Lab. Except a person 100 questions in a lot less time.
>
> Now since many people get by this exam as fast as possible - one's results
> may vary. However, it is a challenging exam and is like the OEQ's in terms
> of the average level of difficulty enountered... on average.
>
> So I still think it has something of a placeholder. And besides it renews
> a
> lot of other certs too.
>
>
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