Re: OT: Cisco Certified Architect

Darby, just one thing.

I dare to say that a CCIE written has as many weight as a CCNA or a CCENT...
or as some might say: nothing. Actually it is less than a CCNA or CCENT, as
they award you a certification. CCIE written enables you to take the lab,
that's it. With that said... ok, we don't need a CCIE written flam war all
over again.

So, if somebody thinks a CCIE is an overkill... they probably (a) really
don't need a CCIE or (b) do not know the difference between a CCNA or a CCIE
(like we see all the time on job posts ("CCNA or CCIE is a plus").

On Mon, Jul 20, 2009 at 2:47 PM, Darby Weaver <ccie.weaver_at_gmail.com> wrote:

> I second this number: USA 5349
>
> The truth is with rampant unemployment in the USA and the economy in the
> state is portrayed to be in today, the chances of an increase in H1-B's is
> going to be going down and not a little - but I'm not th expert, just a
> matter of supply and demand.
>
> Other countries CCIE's might be heard to say that their local markets are
> already over-flooded as they cannot seem to get a job as a CCIE (in their
> local market).
>
> So we have to look at a few numbers:
>
> 1. What's the total (global)?
>
> 2. What's the number per country?
>
> 3. In the case of the USA, there are only 5359 CCIE's total -Umm... how
> many
> work for Cisco? Total? How many work for Trainers (all of them)? How
> many
> are on the market at any given time... a lot less that 5359?
>
> That last number is the only number I'm really ever worried about and then
> divide it by 50 or so states of the union and subtract those who are not
> going travel or relocate and voila...
>
> Whatever is the number left is the number most of us are contending with
> for
> employment purposes...
>
> Effectively: Less than 10 and probably more than 0.
>
>
> Not a bad number overall.
>
> So... small fry CCNP's can still get a job too.
>
> Ever notice the ratio of "CCIE Written" vs. "CCIE" aka actual CCIE are in
> demand on the job boards?
>
> There are two reasons:
>
> 1. There is a lack of supply of CCIE's.
>
> 2. There is a perception that a CCIE may be overkill in terms of skills
> required and cost of the employee/contractor.
>
>
> With that said:
>
> An earned CCIE Written and CCxP in a few disciplines like Wireless, Voice,
> Routing, and Security is a perfectly good baseline for mostly any job
> mostly
> any day of the week. Partners are the exception of course but even they
> need some guys to grow into future slots of opportunity.
>
>
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