Re: How to prepare for my August lab?

I certainly agree with Narbik that you should and need to learn the
technologies first, and learn them well. But I do disagree that mock labs
are not valuable as a learning tool. For me, the many practice labs I did
helped me not only with getting familiar with how the different technologies
I had mastered individually worked together, but with overall structure,
speed, and timing.

On Wed, Jul 22, 2009 at 1:31 PM, jack ripper <ripperthejack2001_at_yahoo.com>wrote:

>
> I completely agree with learning the technology, my focus at the moment is
> trying to maximize my studying to best serve me for the exam in two weeks. I
> have a huge respect for the CCIE certification and CCIE's, I most definitely
> do not want to be someone who does this great certification no justice.
>
> After attending the bootcamp with Narbik, and the hours I have put in to
> studying, the e-mail list I have put together to help me and a few friends
> pass our CCIE's, I can already see a difference in my knowledge. Both in my
> ability to understand, summarize the technologies, and implement it.
>
> I've even had some opportunities to implement some of it in real world
> environments. Private VLAN's for instance, I had the opportunity to use my
> knowledge of them to design a PCI compliance policy, in the process I
> learned the private VLAN's were not compatible with voice VLAN's, which was
> a requirement, sticking with the idea of not re-subnetting and trying to get
> the benefits you get with private VLAN's and still have voice VLAN
> functionality, I ended up implementing VLAN ACL's.
>
> So the studying has actually had an immediate impact on my ability, and I
> feel confident that when I pass this test I will be a CCIE, and not just a
> number.
>
> What I'm hoping to get out of taking a graded lab is not memorization, and
> I'm not looking to buy 30 graded labs, I think for my purpose 1 should be
> sufficient to identify where I may or may not be weak. I realize it is just
> 1 lab, and it definitely does not cover all aspects of what I could see on
> the test, but I do feel it is worth the $35 self assessment. I would
> encourage anyone taking a mock lab to use it as a self assessment tool and
> not a practice tool.
>
> You guys have all been great with the encouragement and quick responses, I
> truely appreciate the help you all are willing to give.
>
> Craig
>
> --- On Wed, 7/22/09, Narbik Kocharians <narbikk_at_gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > From: Narbik Kocharians <narbikk_at_gmail.com>
> > Subject: Re: How to prepare for my August lab?
> > To: "Darby Weaver" <ccie.weaver_at_gmail.com>
> > Cc: "Anthony Faria" <tfaria72_at_gmail.com>, "Bajo" <bajoalex_at_gmail.com>,
> "Ryan West" <rwest_at_zyedge.com>, "jack ripper" <ripperthejack2001_at_yahoo.com>,
> "Joe Astorino" <jastorino_at_ipexpert.com>, "ospfv2" <ospfv2_at_gmail.com>, "
> ccielab_at_groupstudy.com" <ccielab_at_groupstudy.com>
> > Date: Wednesday, July 22, 2009, 9:13 AM
> > Thanks Anthony,
> >
> > I honestly believe that mock labs do not teach you
> > anything. The only thing that you learn by doing Mock labs
> > is what to do in that exact scenario, in the next mock lab
> > you learn what to do in slightly different scenario.
> > Now...let's say you are in the lab and you get a
> > different scenario (Which you will) what are you going to
> > do?
> >
> >
> > Whereas, with tech focus labs, you will learn the
> > hairs within each protocol, you will see the behavior of
> > that protocol and because of that, you will know what to
> > do.
> >
> > Graded Mock labs and OEQ practice labs ONLY do one
> > thing, they take 100 -200 dollars out of your pocket and put
> > it in the vendors pocket, that is ALL.
> >
> > I had many students that failed the graded labs and
> > they failed it pretty bad, but they passed the lab on their
> > first attempt and let me tell you, they are pretty
> > smart.
> >
> > There is no short cut, there is no easy way to do
> > this, there is only one way to get your CCIE and that is by
> > knowing your stuff, learning and NOT memorizing, you need to
> > dive in each protocol separately and exam, verify and more
> > importantly test, you don't get that with mock labs or
> > graded labs.
> >
> >
> > But if it makes some people feel good, GR8 go for it.
> > But remember this cert should NOT end up costing you lots of
> > money.
> >
> > I totally agree with Brian, Learn the technology and
> > then passing the lab would be a natural occurrence.
> >
> >
> > On Wed, Jul 22, 2009 at 5:56 AM,
> > Darby Weaver <ccie.weaver_at_gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> >
> > Brian Dennis would sa the same thing. Learn the
> > technology and then passing the lab would be a natural
> > occurance.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Narbik Kocharians
> > CCSI#30832, CCIE# 12410 (R&S, SP, Security)
> > www.MicronicsTraining.com
> > Sr. Technical Instructor
> >
> >
>
>
>
>

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