RE: OT: Cisco Certified Architect

Very well said Keegan.

The bar has been raised and we needed it. 1/24,000 is not good enough for uber achievers.

-Joe

-----Original Message-----
From: nobody_at_groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody_at_groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of Keegan.Holley_at_sungard.com
Sent: Monday, July 20, 2009 10:19 AM
To: Scott Morris
Cc: GroupStudy; Ruhann; nobody_at_groupstudy.com
Subject: Re: OT: Cisco Certified Architect

I think it's a little of both. Let's face it with the numbers reaching
30,000 soon I think the CCIE is already a little devalued. I think CCIE's
have become the very good engineers instead of the "perfect" engineer in
the eyes of many. There are so many jobs that require the cert but
obviously don't require an expert or someone who "knows all". I think
cisco is doing us all a favor by raising the bar a little. The CCIE will
still be as prestigious as it is now. The architect may be as prestigious
as the CCIE was in the beginning. Or it could be a flop that no one
decides to put effort (and money..) into and employers largely ignore.
That part depends on the marketing, both on how cisco markets the cert and
how CCIE's market themselves to employers. I'm interested to see how it
pans out. Besides those old dog's need to learn some new tricks anyway.
:)

Keegan

From:
Scott Morris <smorris_at_ine.com>
To:
Ruhann <groupstudy_at_ru.co.za>
Cc:
GroupStudy <ccielab_at_groupstudy.com>
Date:
07/20/2009 07:25 AM
Subject:
Re: OT: Cisco Certified Architect
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nobody_at_groupstudy.com

Check out https://cisco.hosted.jivesoftware.com/docs/DOC-5483

It's different. It's not a replacement. And like most things in life,
it is all in how you market yourself and alter other people's
perceptions if you believe they perceive a devaluation of a CCIE somehow!

*Scott Morris*, CCIE/x4/ (R&S/ISP-Dial/Security/Service Provider) #4713,

JNCIE-M #153, JNCIS-ER, CISSP, et al.

JNCI-M, JNCI-ER

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Ruhann wrote:
> Hi
>
> Not sure how many has seen the latest additions to the CISCO careers
paths.
> In particular the new Cisco Certified Architect* *being regarded as the
> highest level of accreditation achievable within the Cisco Career
> Certification program.
> http://tinyurl.com/ln5vl9
>
> There are guys on this mailing that has been CCIE's
(triple,quad,quintuple,
> etc) some for 10+ years? And now to qualify for this exam the CCDE is a
> prerequisite, I personally don't feel that is fair.
> Secondly this will remove a lot of accreditation and value from the CCIE
> program. Good and a bad thing, but I think more bad than good.
>
> I would like to hear some feedback what you guys think and feel about
this?
> GOOD/BAD/ etc

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Received on Mon Jul 20 2009 - 11:29:51 ART