Re: The State of the CCIE Training Industry

You know what? You have a good point there... I also think that the "pirate"
would not buy it anyway... but would a regular guy buy it if he had access
to the "pirated" material? What if it costed $1000? And how about $100? Or
even $10 as Darby mentioned... Maybe the problem is the price point? idk...

As for choosing INE, it was down to cost (yes, our pocket does have a bottom
too!!!)... and besides I tried to find out about IPexpert material (which
had almost the same price) but did not hear back from them, so I chose INE.
Their approach is not my personal favorite, but they were responsive on my
inquiry... (guess everybody else was out on Networkers Live?)

On Wed, Jul 15, 2009 at 3:23 PM, Luan Nguyen <luan_at_netcraftsmen.net> wrote:

> IMHO, choosing INE for SP only when you have a good understanding of the
> blueprint. For starter, IEMentor, CCbootcamp, and IPExpert are probably
> much better. I like the proctor guide from IPExpert for security...explain
> stuff to you. But that's just me, other people from my company like
> INE...now that Scott is there, we probably could get good discount? :)
> You guys have almost 10K every year...you can do more for the training
> community:) take a bootcamp, buy something more expensive :) tell your
> coworkers...since you seem to be under a nice boss.
> Piracy is not that bad...for guys like you, you don't need to pirate
> anything. For people who pirate stuff, they wouldn't buy them anyhow so
> trainers don't lose much there.
>
> Luan Nguyen
> Chesapeake NetCraftsmen, LLC.
> http://www3.netcraftsmen.net
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nobody_at_groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody_at_groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
> Persio Pucci
> Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2009 1:27 PM
> To: Cisco certification
> Subject: Re: The State of the CCIE Training Industry
>
> Brian,
>
> please keep INE alive, I just recently bought the SP material and I'd love
> to see that updated a little... :)
>
> While saying that, I think the training vendors should ALSO invest (more)
> on
> the other tracks... if you are just a newcomer you might think it's R&S or
> nothing. I know Cisco's next blow is the Voice 360... but hey, there are
> other tracks too... why not give them a little (more) attention?
> *(And just for the record, I (well, the company) bought the R&S material
> as
> well in the past... 5 printed and 3 eletronics sets if I am not mistaken.
> I'm doing my part helping you guys :D)*
> I agree with Darby, however, that piracy is the damnation of any training
> material (not Cisco-exclusive). Cannot think of a way out of it, however...
> :(
>
> On Tue, Jul 14, 2009 at 1:11 AM, Brian Dennis <
> bdennis_at_internetworkexpert.com> wrote:
>
> > As an FYI I'm not dead as rumored in the previous email ;-)
> >
> > I'll post an update to our blog tonight or tomorrow letting people know
> > what's going on at INE since a few people seem to be making up some crazy
> > off the wall rumors. Basically we're just starting the process of
> opening
> > up additional operations in the Seattle, WA area where I now currently
> > live. Although Reno, NV is a nice place the amount of high tech workers
> > is very limited to say the least. This wasn't a problem when we were
> > smaller but now we can't continue to grow with the limited high tech
> > workforce in the Reno area.
> >
> > In order to continue to grow we need to have offices in an area that has
> a
> > good technical workforce to select from. Just trying to find a good
> > full-time PHP web developer or CCNA in Reno is a real struggle. This of
> > course isn't the case in the Seattle area. Additionally flights to the
> > Seattle area for students attending classes are far better than the
> > limited selection of flights to the Reno area. Also the selection of
> > hotels for students is far better here in Seattle over Reno.
> >
> > Brian Dennis, CCIEx5 #2210 (R&S/ISP-Dial/Security/SP/Voice)
> > bdennis_at_internetworkexpert.com
> >
> > Internetwork Expert, Inc.
> > http://www.InternetworkExpert.com <http://www.internetworkexpert.com/><
> http://www.internetworkexpert.com/>
> > Toll Free: 877-224-8987 x 703
> > Outside US: 775-826-4344 x 703
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Anthony Faria" <tfaria72_at_gmail.com>
> > Sent: Sun, July 12, 2009 21:01
> > Subject:Re: The State of the CCIE Training Industry
> >
> >
> > Were the blog hits low this week Darby ? LOL Really bro if you spent as
> > much
> > time writing as you did studying you would be done with multiple ccie. I
> > think you are a skilled wirter I think you should apply at a e IT
> magazine
> > or something. Not trying to slam you bro but sometimes you are over the
> > top.
> > Things change and so do companies it is a fact of life. The stuff you
> > originally bought was probably two lab versions ago. So if 5 years later
> > the
> > company goes under well shit you got your money worth. So please keep
> your
> > posts to your blog on this stuff . If you are going to help and answer
> > questions step up do some good instead of being war time media coverage.
> I
> > seen Waynes alien Baby damn he is ugly!!! He sounded like Scott from the
> > audio series though LOL JK Scott.
> >
> > Tony
> >
> > On Sat, Jul 11, 2009 at 11:05 AM, Darby Weaver <ccie.weaver_at_gmail.com
> > >wrote:
> >
> > > Hey don't take it quite so personal. Well I'd better take a step back
> on
> > > that one as you are currently working for one of the companies that
> other
> > > companies are talking about lately.
> > >
> > > What I saw at the conference was a certain sense of fear of what is
> > > happening and there is a lot of fallout from that fear and uncertainty.
> > >
> > > Some said InternetworkExpert is going through some rough times and the
> > only
> > > two viable major companies left were: The Cisco CCIE 360 Consortium
> and
> > > IPExpert.
> > >
> > > Narbik joined the 360 it seems.
> > >
> > > InternetworkExpert may be perceived as having loss a certain sense of
> > > direction - I'm just summarizing here - The question that was used for
> a
> > > basis is "What's happening with Brian Dennis and the CCIE 2.0
> Program?".
> > >
> > > Don't take it that badly - I just gave you insight into what your
> > > competition is thinking and you should consider my words carefully.
> > >
> > > It was that line of reasoning that got me worried a bit last night.
> > >
> > > Technically IE has the killer product - The PolyLabs and they are quite
> > > innovative, creative, and quite possibly the single most act of genius
> > > created in a while. Simple plan and very nice exectution.
> > >
> > > IPExpert is expanding its borders.
> > >
> > > Cisco CCIE 360 is doing the same (kinda reminds me of pirates on the
> high
> > > seas but hey it I'd hope someone is making money from it - ). Hah!
> Hey
> > > they had to get the instructors from somewhere.
> > >
> > > I'm kinda wondering when Scott Morris is going to go independent
> > actually.
> > > You of all people have the name, reputation, sincerity, and technical
> > > expertise to pull it off. And you get back to people and everyone
> know
> > > it.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > I recall one instuctor saying he earned in 5 weeks at one point what
> took
> > > him almost a whole year to earn working for an employer. And of course
> > he
> > > is a very passionate instructor too.
> > >
> > > I kind of see one side trying to pick up all the chips or cash in the
> > chips
> > > that don't play the game.
> > >
> > >
> > > The piracy thing is the single biggest attack on the CCIE program and
> it
> > is
> > > a hard one to beat. Companies want to sell en masse and as long as
> that
> > is
> > > working - great. However, we have a very limited market and only so
> many
> > > candiates at a given time.
> > >
> > > I'm trying to say the Troubleshooting Section if delivered in classes
> and
> > > in
> > > classes alone, then it may help turn this thing around. But it won't
> > work
> > > if all companies and individuals don't come together to nip it in the
> > bud.
> > >
> > >
> > > Hey just an opinion.
> > >
> > > If trainers are selling 10,000 copies electroinically instead of say 10
> > or
> > > even 100, then by all means carry on.
> > >
> > > If you ain't selling enough copies to justify the production costs (as
> > has
> > > been said to me privately), then you might want to take my observance
> > into
> > > account.
> > >
> > > Of course copy machines abound - but the real output ought to be in the
> > > class room itself and presentation.
> > >
> > > Scott you are quite legendary at this and you of all people would be a
> > > person to profit from such a situation.
> > >
> > > Time are changing. Sorry to kick things back to the stone ages, but
> > > security is not quite so secure on intellectual property these days.
> > > Handle
> > > with care.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On Sat, Jul 11, 2009 at 1:22 PM, Scott Morris <smorris_at_ine.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > > So your shock and awe about two companies left in the end was meant
> to
> > > > educate everyone that people stealing the digital downloads is bad?
> > > that's
> > > > a very strange way of delivering that message.
> > > >
> > > > And no, I haven't read your wiki. Didn't know you had one because I
> > > > haven't really had the need to Google you and find out what things
> were
> > > or
> > > > were not posted by/about you.
> > > >
> > > > Next thing you know you're going to go with all-out exclusive-photos
> of
> > > > Wayne Lawson's Alien Baby. And I just really don't think that's
> > > necessary.
> > > > That's a private family matter.
> > > >
> > > > ;)
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > *Scott Morris*, CCIE*x4* (R&amp;amp;S/ISP-Dial/Security/Service
> > Provider)
> > #4713,
> > > >
> > > > JNCIE-M #153, JNCIS-ER, CISSP, et al.
> > > >
> > > > JNCI-M, JNCI-ER
> > > >
> > > > evil_at_ine.com
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Internetwork Expert, Inc.
> > > >
> > > > http://www.InternetworkExpert.com<http://www.internetworkexpert.com/>
> <http://www.internetworkexpert.com/><
> > http://www.internetworkexpert.com/>
> > > >
> > > > Toll Free: 877-224-8987
> > > >
> > > > Outside US: 775-826-4344
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Knowledge is power.
> > > >
> > > > Power corrupts.
> > > >
> > > > Study hard and be Eeeeviiiil......
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Darby Weaver wrote:
> > > >
> > > > FYI -
> > > >
> > > > I'm not so much concerned with Brian Dennis and whether or not he's
> > still
> > > > with IE, I would hope he is, but if he's not I do not see such a
> > talented
> > > > individual being without options.
> > > >
> > > > I'm not so much as concerned about my nose and whether or not it is
> > > broken
> > > > or not. (I guess someone never read my Wiki).
> > > >
> > > > I am concerned about my general investment in the CCIE Program. That
> > is
> > > the
> > > > point of the matter.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > I am concerned when I see CCIE Instructors and Content Developers
> > > speaking
> > > > of no longer being able to make a living at their expectations in
> this
> > > > industry. This concerns me and if you have invested money in some of
> > > these
> > > > programs and have a vested interest then it may or may not concern
> you.
> > > >
> > > > The tabloid thing catches the eye - but the real matter is that with
> > the
> > > > advent of technology - people are taking advantage of the ease of
> > > downloads
> > > > and literally bankrupting an otherwise thriving industry.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Blogs and organic groups at http://www.ccie.net
> > > >
> > > >
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