Re: Fill the Gap

This is an interesting topic... And it's one of those important things
to think about personally! In the old days, the written exam covered a
wider breadth of materials, so you had to work on becoming familiar with
things such as different WAN link types and such that may never have
been on the lab exam. Today, both the written and lab are closely
aligned, and we work with both serial (mostly PPP/Frame) and ethernet
technologies. This doesn't give a wide amount of experience.

Arguably, many places are delivering WAN links on ethernet these days
because of reduced expenses! I know I've designed several that are.
But the problem is, not everyone does this. And this really highlights
a gap, albeit a selective gap, but a large gap in knowledge depending on
where you are. If you'd like a job (not matter your location), you need
to be clueful about what is happening with companies in your area. What
do they do? How are they generically designed.

And if you find you're running across things like SONET, ATM, SMDS,
ISDN, whatever, then you will need to do some research to at least be
vaguely clueful along the way! I know that Gary mentioned the CCDA/CCDP
certifications, which I'd actually agree with as they give you a
framework to go by.

A CCIE does NOT know everything. Hell, having multiple CCIE's does not
mean you know everything. But you know some things about HOW to find
the answers and HOW to think about them.

Hardware platform review, there's CCO. IOS versions, there's Feature
Navigator. While I may not even know which specific versions of IOS a
2800 would need for BGP, my answer would be I think it's the "plus"
version, or now known as "IP Services" but I would check the Feature
Navigator to be sure.

IMHO nobody cares that you know the specific answer to the question, but
if asked you know how to figure it out. And no, I would not use "google
it" as an answer.

;)

HTH,

*Scott Morris*, CCIE/x4/ (R&S/ISP-Dial/Security/Service Provider) #4713,

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Khurram Noor wrote:
> Thanks for your advices i just want to share my thoughts on my first
> interview call which i recieved from a company in Pakistan. The interviewer
> did not ask a thing related to routing and switching. instead he asked for
> hardware platforms, IOS versions, WAN connectivity mediums, SDM etc. Since i
> dont have indepth knowledge of these things, the impression wasn't so good.
> For instance he asked suppose if i have a 2800 series router, which ios
> should i use so that i can run BGP over it. and i was like wow....could i
> ever answer such questions!
>
> What i now require to know is at least the begineers level knowledge about
>
> Cisco IOS types, versions features and their hardware requirments.
> Cisco product line knowledge (like for example what series of routers or
> switches can be used where i.e. core, access or distribution)
> You think i am repeating, yes i am. but i think now this is what i really
> want to know. so can you help?
> On Sat, Jul 11, 2009 at 12:27 AM, Ahmer Zakir <azakir_at_gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>> Khurram,
>> Cisco Dynamic conifguration tool can help you learn about the modules that
>> can and cannot fit in a certain Cisco device. As Nasim said, nothing can
>> replace real world experience and what this means is that you have to learn
>> it the hard way.
>>
>> HTH!
>>
>> Ahmer Zakir
>> Senior Network Engineer
>> Saudi Arabia
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Jul 5, 2009 at 10:59 AM, Muhammad Nasim <muhammad.nasim_at_gmail.com>wrote:
>>
>>
>>> There is no alternative of real world knowledge but you can use
>>> dynamips extensively and can depict some scenarios,
>>> May Allah help you finding the job
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> 2009/7/5 Khurram Noor <engr.khurramnoor_at_googlemail.com>
>>>
>>>
>>>> Dear all,
>>>> As i have been searching for job these days, i am looking for advice to
>>>> enhance my knowledge about real world network design and implementation.
>>>>
>>> In
>>>
>>>> my view until i get hired by some enterprise i should have a good
>>>>
>>> knowledge
>>>
>>>> of working fundamentals
>>>>
>>>> I am talking about
>>>>
>>>> - Case studies
>>>> - Knowledge of terminologies (Hardware/IOS)
>>>> - Complete line of Cisco products (Routing and switching)
>>>> - Notes from CCIE field experience.
>>>>
>>>> So can anyone advice?
>>>> --
>>>> Khurram Noor
>>>> CCIE # 24419
>>>>
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