Re: Cisco Raises the Bar with Highest-Level IT Networking

CCIE is still your expert. What is passed of as design these days in some
organisations amounts to colour by numbers using stencils, templates and
rehashed documents. You might not do anything complicated for six months.
But when you do the CCIE should have the answer you need.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Wayne Lawson" <groupstudy_at_ipexpert.com>
To: "Lala Lander" <sshafi_at_gmail.com>
Cc: "Joe Astorino" <jastorino_at_ipexpert.com>; "Gary Duncanson"
<gary.duncanson_at_googlemail.com>; <ccielab_at_groupstudy.com>
Sent: Monday, June 29, 2009 6:03 PM
Subject: Re: Cisco Raises the Bar with Highest-Level IT Networking
Certification: Cisco Certified Architect

> Gang -
>
> For what it's worth - I don't think this will have that much of a
> negative impact on the perception of the CCIE certification any time
> soon. We all know that the CCIE shows expert-level knowledge as it
> relates to hands-on abilities within that specific designation or track.
> To me, the CCDE and CCA go hand-in-hand and are more "design" focused -
> not necessarily showing the ability to configure and troubleshoot. Back
> in 98 and 99 when I was at Cisco, shortly after passing my R&S lab - I
> was doing more design work as a Cisco SE and less hands on (I was really
> awesome at Visio and could rattle off Cisco part numbers, but couldn't
> configure an IP address! -grin-). After about 6 months - I literally
> forgot about 75% of what I studied for to pass the lab - but I could
> design networks, conceptually, with the best of them. Honestly, I'm not
> sure how Cisco can say that this certification is more advanced than the
> CCIE - because it seems to me like it's a different focus / skillset.
> Regardless, the CCIE is still the certification to have - showing expert
> status and ability to install, configure and troubleshoot. Now, over a
> year after announcing the CCDE, there are still just 3 of them (from what
> I know) - that means there are only 3 CCA candidates....so it's going to
> be a veeerrrry long time before the CCDE or CCA have a major impact on
> the CCIEs and their salaries / reputation. All-in-all - don't worry -
> CCIEs still rock! ;-)
>
> Regards,
>
> Wayne A. Lawson II - CCIE #5244
> Founder, President & CEO:
> - IPexpert, Inc.
> - Proctor Labs, Inc.
> - Platinum Solutions Group, LLC.
> Mailto: wlawson_at_ipexpert.com
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>
> :: Message sent from iPhone.
>
> On Jun 29, 2009, at 12:45 PM, Lala Lander <sshafi_at_gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Joe... just take it easy as this announcement is impacting us all. CCIE
>> was
>> always a "support" or "operations" oriented certification but CCIEs were
>> also doing Design and Architect work as there was no other higher level
>> cert. Cisco knew it and hence introduced CCDE and now CCA. It is just
>> evolution and not revolution so just take it easy.
>>
>> On Mon, Jun 29, 2009 at 9:39 AM, Joe Astorino
>> <jastorino_at_ipexpert.com>wrote:
>>
>>> Yeah really...I don't want to sound too upset here, but I feel like I
>>> just
>>> got kicked in the balls. How do the rest of you CCIEs out there feel
>>> about
>>> this announcement, since in my opinion we have all essentially been
>>> demoted?
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>>
>>> Joe Astorino
>>> CCIE #24347 (R&S)
>>> Sr. Support Engineer - IPexpert, Inc.
>>> URL: http://www.IPexpert.com
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Gary Duncanson [mailto:gary.duncanson_at_googlemail.com]
>>> Sent: Monday, June 29, 2009 12:38 PM
>>> To: Joe Astorino
>>> Cc: ccielab_at_groupstudy.com
>>> Subject: Re: Cisco Raises the Bar with Highest-Level IT Networking
>>> Certification: Cisco Certified Architect
>>>
>>> I give up too. I'm just way too busy working as a Network Designer to
>>> keep
>>> up with all that stuff!
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Joe Astorino" <jastorino_at_ipexpert.com>
>>> To: "'Mike Kraus (mikraus)'" <mikraus_at_cisco.com>;
>>> <ccielab_at_groupstudy.com
>>> >
>>> Sent: Monday, June 29, 2009 5:28 PM
>>> Subject: RE: Cisco Raises the Bar with Highest-Level IT Networking
>>> Certification: Cisco Certified Architect
>>>
>>>
>>>> I give up...
>>>>
>>>> Regards,
>>>>
>>>> Joe Astorino
>>>> CCIE #24347 (R&S)
>>>> Sr. Support Engineer - IPexpert, Inc.
>>>> URL: http://www.IPexpert.com
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: nobody_at_groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody_at_groupstudy.com] On Behalf
>>>> Of
>>>> Mike
>>>> Kraus (mikraus)
>>>> Sent: Monday, June 29, 2009 11:16 AM
>>>> To: ccielab_at_groupstudy.com
>>>> Subject: Cisco Raises the Bar with Highest-Level IT Networking
>>>> Certification: Cisco Certified Architect
>>>>
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