Re: Cisco Raises the Bar with Highest-Level IT Networking

Is it different than being an Olympian versus a gold medalist?

All Olympians are winners. They have all won a number of things,
including their own national championships. they have all gone on
further. Some failing miserably, others rising up. As a national
champion, should they think of themselves as only being the 2nd highest
level?

The Architect is designed to cover both the implementation AND the
design side of networking expertise. So from that view, you are still
the top of the pinnacle specific to network implementation. So you
haven't been demoted, you've been subsetted. :)

*Scott Morris*, CCIE/x4/ (R&S/ISP-Dial/Security/Service Provider) #4713,

JNCIE-M #153, JNCIS-ER, CISSP, et al.

JNCI-M, JNCI-ER

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Joe Astorino wrote:
>
> I absolutely agree with a lot of what you said Scott. For instance, I
> absolutely appreciate how much I do not know. I absolutely agree that
> we should always be learning more, and I'm all for that. I guess the
> thing that is sort of eating me is that when I signed up for CCIE part
> of the reason was gaining the knowledge. Part of the reason was the
> classification of being in a group with the best. Now we are being
> told that we are no longer the best. Cisco specifically says in the
> announcement that it is higher than the CCIE. So I guess for me, it
> kind of feels like a demotion to go from the highest level to the 2^nd
> highest level.
>
>
>
> Regards,
>
> Joe Astorino
> CCIE #24347 (R&S)
> Sr. Support Engineer -- IPexpert, Inc.
> URL: http://www.IPexpert.com
>
>
> *From:* Scott Morris [mailto:smorris_at_ine.com]
> *Sent:* Monday, June 29, 2009 1:30 PM
> *To:* Joe Astorino
> *Cc:* 'Gary Duncanson'; ccielab_at_groupstudy.com
> *Subject:* Re: Cisco Raises the Bar with Highest-Level IT Networking
> Certification: Cisco Certified Architect
>
>
>
> Does it make you any less of an expert?
>
> One of the interesting things that the CCIE taught me (each of them
> actually), is that there's a lot of stuff I don't know. Sometimes the
> impact was more immediate than others (e.g. if I happened to have
> failed!) but either way, you should begin to appreciate the scope of
> what you know and realize how much out there that you don't know.
>
> With that perspective in mind, what's wrong with entertaining the idea
> that the CCIE may or may not be the top of the pile? As long as the
> standards are kept high, then I think it's an interesting evolution.
> You should already be asking yourself 'What's next?'.
>
> So whether it's multiple CCIEs... Whether it's other vendor
> certifications... Whether it's a design expert... Whether it's this
> new architect. We now have more possibilities than we did before.
>
> Shouldn't our goal be to be the coolest folks on the planet?
> Hopefully the standards are high enough that uncool people don't get
> to be cool (lack of a better phrase!) but it's merely a path
> available! Should be fun!
>
> Nobody called you an Associate Expert though. Don't feel bad. Now
> when Cisco first came out with the career certs, I fully understand
> the demotion... I had passed a test called the Cisco Design
> Specialist. And was promised a T-shirt and cert. About 5-6 months
> later, I got a letter saying I was now a Cisco Certified Design
> Associate. Now, I don't know about you, but in my mind, an Associate
> was not nearly as cool as a Specialist. :) THAT was a change. The
> CCIE is not being removed, replaced or otherwise renamed and demoted.
> We merely have another level added to demonstrate knowledge and
> qualifications above and beyond.
>
> My two cents.
>
>
>
>
>
> *Scott Morris*, CCIE/x4/ (R&S/ISP-Dial/Security/Service Provider) #4713,
>
> JNCIE-M #153, JNCIS-ER, CISSP, et al.
>
> JNCI-M, JNCI-ER
>
> evil_at_ine.com <mailto:evil_at_ine.com>
>
>
>
> Internetwork Expert, Inc.
>
> http://www.InternetworkExpert.com
>
> Toll Free: 877-224-8987
>
> Outside US: 775-826-4344
>
>
>
> Knowledge is power.
>
> Power corrupts.
>
> Study hard and be Eeeeviiiil......
>
>
> Joe Astorino wrote:
>
> Yeah really...I don't want to sound too upset here, but I feel like I just
> got kicked in the balls. How do the rest of you CCIEs out there feel about
> this announcement, since in my opinion we have all essentially been demoted?
>
> Regards,
>
> Joe Astorino
> CCIE #24347 (R&S)
> Sr. Support Engineer - IPexpert, Inc.
> URL: http://www.IPexpert.com
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Gary Duncanson [mailto:gary.duncanson_at_googlemail.com]
> Sent: Monday, June 29, 2009 12:38 PM
> To: Joe Astorino
> Cc: ccielab_at_groupstudy.com <mailto:ccielab_at_groupstudy.com>
> Subject: Re: Cisco Raises the Bar with Highest-Level IT Networking
> Certification: Cisco Certified Architect
>
> I give up too. I'm just way too busy working as a Network Designer to keep
> up with all that stuff!
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Joe Astorino" <jastorino_at_ipexpert.com> <mailto:jastorino_at_ipexpert.com>
> To: "'Mike Kraus (mikraus)'" <mikraus_at_cisco.com> <mailto:mikraus_at_cisco.com>; <ccielab_at_groupstudy.com> <mailto:ccielab_at_groupstudy.com>
> Sent: Monday, June 29, 2009 5:28 PM
> Subject: RE: Cisco Raises the Bar with Highest-Level IT Networking
> Certification: Cisco Certified Architect
>
>
>
>
> I give up...
>
>
>
> Regards,
>
>
>
> Joe Astorino
>
> CCIE #24347 (R&S)
>
> Sr. Support Engineer - IPexpert, Inc.
>
> URL: http://www.IPexpert.com
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>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
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> Subject: Cisco Raises the Bar with Highest-Level IT Networking
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