RE: Cisco Raises the Bar with Highest-Level IT Networking

Agreed Gavin, except I guess a valid CCIE does half qualify you. I have a
few other concerns namely:

1) What are they going to test you on? I mean really, does it depend on
your CCIE track? What if you are CCIE R/S and your panel scenario or
whatever is totally based on implementing an end to end VOIP network, which
you really don't know anything about from a configuration standpoint? Do
you have to go get all 6 CCIEs to be truly ready for ANYTHING?

2) Since you need a valid CCIE and a CCDE what exactly is the point?
According to Cisco, when you pass the CCIE lab and the CCDE lab you have
effectively proven written knowledge AND hands on practical experience at
the highest level of Cisco configuration AND design. So what is left,
project management?

No thanks. If I wanted to be a project manager I'd go get an MBA and a PMP.

Regards,

Joe Astorino
CCIE #24347 (R&S)
Sr. Support Engineer - IPexpert, Inc.
URL: http://www.IPexpert.com
 

-----Original Message-----
From: Gavin Schokman [mailto:Gavin.Schokman_at_nscglobal.com]
Sent: Monday, June 29, 2009 1:10 PM
To: Marcus Bedford; Joe Astorino
Cc: Mike Kraus (mikraus); ccielab_at_groupstudy.com
Subject: RE: Cisco Raises the Bar with Highest-Level IT Networking
Certification: Cisco Certified Architect

 
Have to throw my cents worth in and say "Not Happy, Jan!!!" (quote from
a random Australian tv ad from a number of years ago)
It does feel like an instant demotion and with a slap in the face thrown
in to boot.
I mean, it's a huge amount of effort to reach CCIE, and then to be told
a). You're not top of the game anymore AND
b). Thanks for all the effort you put in, your certification is nice,
but it wont qualify you to go for the new top level
(which actually means you've been demoted twice because CCDE will become
more coveted by employers!!)

I'm sorry, that's just insulting!

I guess it also marks end of the line for CCIE. I mean, who is going to
want to put in all the required effort when it doesn't qualify you for
CCA?

Cheers,
Gavin

-----Original Message-----
From: nobody_at_groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody_at_groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
Marcus Bedford
Sent: 29 June 2009 17:44
To: Joe Astorino
Cc: 'Mike Kraus (mikraus)'; ccielab_at_groupstudy.com
Subject: RE: Cisco Raises the Bar with Highest-Level IT Networking
Certification: Cisco Certified Architect

Plus I think the real deal breaker is that the CCDE is the prerequisite.
Last i saw on this site there were only 3 certified worldwide. Then
there is the this application into the program. It is getting real
subjective now for passing this one. I will be curious on how many
attain this cert.
M.

-----Original Message-----
From: "Joe Astorino" <jastorino_at_ipexpert.com>
Sent: Monday, June 29, 2009 11:28am
To: "'Mike Kraus (mikraus)'" <mikraus_at_cisco.com>, ccielab_at_groupstudy.com
Subject: RE: Cisco Raises the Bar with Highest-Level IT Networking
Certification: Cisco Certified Architect

I give up...

Regards,

Joe Astorino
CCIE #24347 (R&S)
Sr. Support Engineer - IPexpert, Inc.
URL: http://www.IPexpert.com

-----Original Message-----
From: nobody_at_groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody_at_groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
Mike
Kraus (mikraus)
Sent: Monday, June 29, 2009 11:16 AM
To: ccielab_at_groupstudy.com
Subject: Cisco Raises the Bar with Highest-Level IT Networking
Certification: Cisco Certified Architect

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