Re: New Developments with Cisco 360

I don't like Mercedes (unless it's an AMG). Prefer a GS450 or a 7 series any
day.

On Thu, Jun 11, 2009 at 6:27 PM, Group Study <groupstudy_at_ipexpert.com>wrote:

> A -
> See comments inline....interesting post -
>
> On Thu, Jun 11, 2009 at 9:06 PM, Alexei Monastyrnyi <alexeim73_at_gmail.com
> >wrote:
>
> > Hi Joe.
> >
> > I think you have spotted that right regarding those who would take all
> > costs on their personal budget. I would say Cisco 360 is mostly focused
> on
> > large business clients AND on increasing the passing rate.
> >
>
> How do you back up that that "360 is focused on passing rate"....are you
> suggesting that you can now "buy the CCIE" certification if you take the
> 360
> training, or that other vendor products don't assist you in
> passing?.....Again - Cisco is "SELLING" something....don't you think
> they're
> going to (like all vendors do) position a few positive success stories for
> their perspective clients to see / read / hear?...How (if you know) do you
> suggest the 360 program is a better solution than the "End-to-End" programs
> available by other "non-360" vendors?....I would suggest that the overall
> success of their program be reviewed....as well as measurements made on the
> quality and quantity - compared to price.....*IF* a particular vendor had
> more overall success stories (maybe 3 or 4 x more), a much more complete
> and
> thorough product - and it was more cost-effective....would that constitute
> as "better"?.....
>
>
>
> >
> > If you have attended that CCIE RS 4.0 update webinar (should also be
> > available on demand now), you might catch two ideas.
> >
> > - Verizon success story with Cisco 360 program. In short, they have been
> > using Cisco 360 program internally for quite a while and have already
> > certified about 15 candidates with average pass score within this small
> > group being 1.2. The Verison manager responsible for this training said
> > there is already more than 30 Verizon engineers queuing for this program
>
>
> > - One of the CCIE program members said that for now we have around 20 000
> > CCIEs around the Globe, they would aim to have 30 000 within next year
> (if I
> > remember this sentence right). And the reason behind it would be a
> > technological growth and business needs for those 30K CCIEs on the marker
> > right now.
> >
> > Now you put two and two together by yourself. Do they target self-study
> > candidates and such? IMHO they don't. As Bruce have mentioned Cisco 360
> is
> > much more structural and predictive. Now when it is unbundled, it becomes
> > more attractive for enterprises to train CCIEs in-house so to say.
> >
> > I don't believe it will be popular amongst GS members. If I worked for
> > Verizon for example and still pursued my CCIE I would queue for that
> > program. When I were doing my CCIE studies my company supported me in
> buying
> > used routers and books but buying bootcamps and other full-day like
> training
> > were off the list.
> >
> > If I had a choice to study nights vs studying during working hours I
> would
> > sure pick the second one. Wouldn't you?
> >
> > It's like Mercedes A-class. Those who can afford it may enjoy it. Those
> who
> > cannot - let's not get bored or frustrated by that fact that they pass us
> on
> > a highway and concentrate on where we drive to. :-)
> >
>
> A - Surely you're not suggesting the "360" is a Mercedes....and other,
> proven, vendor training materials are sub-par - are you? ;-) Obviously -
> I'd have to completely disagree....You can't (and shouldn't) use the
> analogy
> comparing a particular CCIE training product to a "Mercedes A-class" just
> because it costs more....(there's a reason the Mercedes A-class costs more
> than the "average vehicle"...
>
>
> >
> > Just my .02 AUD.
> > A.
> >
> > Joe Astorino wrote:
> >
> >> As a working class guy going through things from the perspective of a
> >> student a few months ago, I never even considered the 360 program,
> because
> >> of price. In fact, I posted that on my blog at the time...why would
> anybody
> >> want to go for the 360 program unless they were rich, or their company
> >> funded it? At least that was my perspective. IPexpert, INE, and Narbik
> >> among others have proven material that works, that is taught by world
> class
> >> leading instructors that have great reputations, and is way cheaper. Am
> I
> >> missing something here?
> >>
> >> Regards,
> >>
> >> Joe Astorino CCIE #24347 (R&S)
> >> Sr. Support Engineer b IPexpert, Inc.
> >> URL: http://www.IPexpert.com <http://www.ipexpert.com/>
> >>
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: nobody_at_groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody_at_groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
> >> Dark Fiber
> >> Sent: Thursday, June 11, 2009 8:26 PM
> >> To: Andrew Bruce Caslow
> >> Cc: ccielab_at_groupstudy.com
> >> Subject: Re: New Developments with Cisco 360
> >>
> >> I don't think anyone could honestly question the quality of the
> material.
> >> I think what alot of us question is the cost. Now I would have to think
> that
> >> is set by Cisco themselves. This is what hurts the program in the long
> run I
> >> believe.
> >> CIERS Basic Package (CIERSBASIC) is $4500.
> >> IPX: Blended Learning Solution $1500
> >> INE: End to End $2500
> >> Narbik: $2500 and free retakes, even after you pass your lab for
> >> refreshers!
> >>
> >> If I had to start over today with all my material the cost and value
> >> associated with that cost would knock the 360 program right off the list
> :(
> >>
> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> From: "Andrew Bruce Caslow" <abcaslow_at_netmasterclass.net>
> >> To: ccielab_at_groupstudy.com
> >> Cc: "Andrew Bruce Caslow" <abcaslow_at_netmasterclass.net>
> >> Sent: Thursday, June 11, 2009 6:31:43 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
> >> Subject: New Developments with Cisco 360
> >>
> >> Hi Everyone,
> >>
> >>
> >> There have been some recent discussions on the Cisco 360 program on
> >> GroupStudy. I wanted to take a minute and briefly discuss some new
> >> developments with Cisco 360.
> >>
> >>
> >> [X-post: http://blog.netmasterclass.net/?p=36 ]
> >>
> >>
> >> CISCO 360 IS UNBUNDLED
> >>
> >>
> >> All of Cisco 360 products have become unbundled. This means you can
> >> purchase only the Cisco 360 component you need when you need them. With
> >> this said, one can begin purchasing individual components of Cisco 360
> for
> >> just a few hundred dollars. As you go through the Cisco 360 program, you
> >> can
> >> pay as you go if you'd like. And of course, you can use your Cisco
> >> Learning
> >> Credits to pay for Cisco 360 products and services.
> >>
> >>
> >> This unbundling provides lots of flexibility for students with limited
> >> funds. Not only does it provide purchasing flexibility, it allows for
> CCIE
> >> students to mix and match Cisco 360 purchases with other vendors CCIE
> >> learning products such as InternetworkExpert and Narbik's workbook. I
> >> think
> >> we all agree, no one has a monopoly on great ideas. The "open
> >> architecture"
> >> of Cisco 360 allows for students to purchase only the components they
> want
> >> from Cisco 360 at the time they want. Students then have the option to
> use
> >> whatever other CCIE learning resources they want.
> >>
> >> CISCO 360 HAS 25 CCIE INSTRUCTORS AND MENTORS
> >>
> >> Furthermore, these individual components can be bundled with training
> >> courses and on-line mentoring services to create a complete end-to-end
> >> CCIE
> >> preparation program. One very exciting aspect of the Cisco 360 program
> is
> >> that there are now 25 Cisco 360 certified instructors and mentors spread
> >> all
> >> over the world. And I must say, each one of them is a world-class
> >> instructor
> >> and mentor dedicated to delivering the very best in CCIE training and
> >> coaching. It has been a real pleasure working with these 25 instructors
> >> and
> >> mentors. Many of these new instructors were trained by Bob Sinclair,
> who
> >> has been a frequent contributor to GroupStudy over the years. It is my
> >> opinion that Bob is the very best CCIE instructor in the world and Bob
> >> speaks very highly of the many Cisco 360 instructors he has trained in
> the
> >> US, Europe, the Middle East and Asia. Bob will be going to Japan in a
> week
> >> to train seven more Cisco 360 instructors.
> >>
> >>
> >> With the unbundling of Cisco 360 products and the large supply of 25,
> soon
> >> to be over 30, Cisco 360 instructors/mentors, the price of quality CCIE
> >> training should be falling. While many grey market CCIE companies
> provide
> >> excellent products and services, none of them have 25-30 CCIE
> >> instructors/mentors. This will dramatically change the CCIE training
> >> landscape. Currently, there are only a handful of CCIE instructors and
> no
> >> structured CCIE mentoring services in the CCIE marketplace. With Cisco
> >> 360,
> >> the pool of instructors and mentors is dramatically increased and this
> >> will
> >> give anyone that is pursuing their CCIE many more training and mentoring
> >> options. Competition and choices among learning solutions is a very good
> >> thing for CCIE students!
> >>
> >> CISCO 360 GRADED ASSESSMENT LABS
> >>
> >>
> >> A suggested starting point in using Cisco 360 products is to purchase
> the
> >> Cisco 360 graded assessment labs individually or in bundles. These
> graded
> >> assessment labs provide an excellent measurement for one's level of
> >> readiness to attempt the actual CCIE lab. They also provide voluminous
> >> feedback to maximize the learning experience. These graded assessment
> labs
> >> are most certainly not "unproven technology". They apply the former
> >> CHECKiT
> >> lab technology of NetMasterClass. This technology has been deployed and
> >> developed over the last five years. To my knowledge, no other CCIE
> >> training
> >> company has the level of experience in developing graded assessment labs
> >> as
> >> Val Pavlichenko and his software team at NetMasterClass. This team now
> is
> >> working for Cisco to develop a full range of graded assessment labs.
> This
> >> of
> >> course includes all Cisco 360 graded assessment labs. Currently, there
> >> are
> >> 12 graded assessment labs available in the Routing and Switching Cisco
> 360
> >> program. Many people perform several of these graded assessments to
> >> establish a "trend of performance" to help indicate their level of
> >> readiness
> >> to attempt the actual CCIE lab. Many like to combine this with Cisco 360
> >> mentoring services to obtain coaching and guidance along the way. Mr.
> Bill
> >> Burns of RackTimeRentals is one of these Mentors! Great job Bill! : )
> >>
> >> To get a good understanding of the new a la carte purchasing options
> >> available with Cisco 360, go to the following NetMasterClass link:
> >>
> >>
> >> http://netmasterclass.net/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=CTGY
> >> <
> >>
> http://netmasterclass.net/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=CTGY&Store_Code=NMC
> >> _Store&Category_Code=Cisco360>
> >> &Store_Code=NMC_Store&Category_Code=Cisco360
> >>
> >> If you have any additional questions or comments, please feel free to
> >> contact me directly.
> >>
> >>
> >> Thanks!
> >>
> >>
> >> All the best,
> >>
> >>
> >> -Bruce Caslow CCIE #3139
> >>
> >> Cisco 360 Master Instructor
> >>
> >> NetMasterClass, LLC
> >>
> >> www.netmasterclass.net
> >>
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