Re: CCIE bootcamp that will take learning credits?

Justin - the "backdoor" problem with CLCs is that Cisco takes a % of
the amount spent - AND - in order to accept them - you have to agree
to pay Cisco royalties - it (in most instances) ends up being a 30%
loss (to the company accepting learning credits).

Personally, I'd rather slash my prices 30% than deal with the BS that
Cisco drags you through - AND - I can sell my material - which is
proven and works.

I understand your situation (trust me - I was there after my Marine
Corps days), but I encourage you to reach out to me directly. You're
investing in your future - and - time is money - use something that
works and is proven. We can work out a cost structure and a payment
plan that fits your needs - and you're going to be ensured that the
materials and training you receive is top notch.

Regards,

Wayne A. Lawson II - CCIE #5244
President & Founder - IPexpert, Inc.
Email: wlawson_at_ipexpert.com
Mobile: 810.334.1564

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On Jun 9, 2009, at 6:40 PM, "Guagliata, Justin"
<JGuagliata_at_leegov.com> wrote:

> Honestly, the only reason I was looking at using the learning
> credits is
> because it's what I have available. Unfortunately with the economy the
> way it is, I'm forced to pay for the CCIE test materials out of
> pocket.
> With that said, we have learning credits that expire in the next few
> months and I was hoping to use them for a bootcamp to avoid paying out
> of pocket.
>
> I like the idea of learning credits as it is a good way to get capital
> allocated for training in enviroments that would otherwise not put
> money
> towards it. I really wish cisco would allow more vendors the ability
> to
> accept them.
>
> Thanks everyone for your input in this discussion,
>
> Justin Guagliata
> Atos Origin
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Wayne Lawson [mailto:groupstudy_at_ipexpert.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, June 09, 2009 6:31 PM
> To: Narbik Kocharians
> Cc: Brad Ellis; Joe Astorino; Guagliata, Justin;
> ccielab_at_groupstudy.com
> Subject: Re: CCIE bootcamp that will take learning credits?
>
> I guess the questions to ask are: *how many people have passed using
> 360 material* and *how many people have passed using "grey market"
> material*....
>
> When we were a CLP, I tried to tell Cisco that the CCIE training space
> was MUCH DIFFERENT than the lower-level / authorized training
> market....they refused to listen (Why, I don't know - because we have
> trained more CCIEs than any other company in the world - and they are
> a collective group of sales reps that have never succeeded in the CCIE
> training space).....
>
> To them (Learning_at_Cisco) - all they're worried about was that they
> were being converting over to a "profit center" - they could care less
> about what training materials, racks, support, guarantee / updates or
> instructors actually work - it boils down to "who is paying L_at_C
> royalties".....that model won't fly with the consumer-base -
> GUARANTEED - so, hopefully (Brad) - guys like you (in bed with Cisco)
> have thought long and hard about this...(what happens when Cisco
> forces you to sell their junk)
>
> It's my guess, but I'm expecting companies pushing 360 to fail... -
> heck, what do I know - I've only been running a company that's
> recruited the industry's top talent, have 6 MM in online (CCIE)
> hardware (with an unmatched interface), have built a study community
> that's spam-free (with more posts than GS) and oh - have the largest
> list of CCIE success stories out of any training company -
> worldwide...and, we have been on Inc. Magazine's list of "Fast Growing
> Private Companies" for the past 2 years - this year (to be announced
> in August) will be our 3rd straight year....
>
> It boils down to "what is proven" - and the 360 isn't....and won't be.
> It's that simple.
>
> If you want to pass (and earn a guaranteed six-figure income) - take
> the class (and use the products) that are proven.....you're investing
> in your future....hopefully "CLCs" aren't the deciding factor in what
> vendor / products you choose to utilize.....
>
> Regards,
>
> Wayne A. Lawson II - CCIE #5244
> President & Founder - IPexpert, Inc.
> Email: wlawson_at_ipexpert.com
> Mobile: 810.334.1564
>
> * For my SMS vCard Text WLAWSON to 50500
>
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> On Jun 9, 2009, at 6:07 PM, Narbik Kocharians <narbikk_at_gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> From Cisco's view if you are NOT offering the 360 program YOU ARE
>> GREY
>> MARKET. It does not matter if you are an SO, CLP or even CLSP.
>> Please don't
>> be fooled by that statement. But yes we too take CLCs.
>>
>> On Tue, Jun 9, 2009 at 2:53 PM, Brad Ellis <brad_at_ccbootcamp.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Joe,
>>>
>>> You might be mistaken with IPExpert's ability to take CLCs. They are
>>> grey market, not an authorized partner like an SO, CLP, nor CLSP,
>>> therefore, they can not take Cisco learning credits. Just an FYI.
>>>
>>> thanks,
>>> Brad Ellis
>>> CCIE#5796 (R&S / Security)
>>> CCSI# 30482
>>> CEO / President
>>> CCBOOTCAMP - Cisco Learning Partner (CLP)
>>> Email: brad_at_ccbootcamp.com
>>> Toll Free: 877-654-2243
>>> International: +1-702-968-5100
>>> Skype: skype:ccbootcamp?call
>>> FAX: +1-702-446-8012
>>> YES! We take Cisco Learning Credits!
>>> Training And Remote Racks: http://www.ccbootcamp.com
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: nobody_at_groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody_at_groupstudy.com] On
>>> Behalf Of
>>> Joe Astorino
>>> Sent: Tuesday, June 09, 2009 2:38 PM
>>> To: 'Guagliata, Justin'; ccielab_at_groupstudy.com
>>> Subject: RE: CCIE bootcamp that will take learning credits?
>>>
>>> Hi Justin,
>>>
>>> We certainly take Cisco learning credits as payment for our
>>> classes. I
>>> just
>>> went through the R&S bootcamp myself recently, and I can highly
>>> personally
>>> recommend it. If you want more information, let me know and I will
>>> personally hook you up with one of our sales guys on the phone.
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>>
>>> Joe Astorino
>>> CCIE #24347 (R&S)
>>> Sr. Support Engineer - IPexpert, Inc.
>>> URL: http://www.IPexpert.com <http://www.ipexpert.com/>
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: nobody_at_groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody_at_groupstudy.com] On
>>> Behalf Of
>>> Guagliata, Justin
>>> Sent: Tuesday, June 09, 2009 5:26 PM
>>> To: ccielab_at_groupstudy.com
>>> Subject: CCIE bootcamp that will take learning credits?
>>>
>>> Can anyone recommend a CCIE boot camp that will take learning
>>> credits.
>>> My lab is scheduled for Aug 21st 2009, and I'm looking for a date in
>>> early july if possible.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Justin Guagliata
>>>
>>> Atos Origin
>>>
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