Re: any one looking for CCIE #

Darby,
Not saying they are lazy or anything, you just corroborated to my point,
people are getting the certification for the wrong purposes. Remember we
were discussing the merit regarding the "professionals" who endorse this
kind of behavior. God knows where would we end up if we started discussing
Shady Corp.'s around the world...

On Wed, May 13, 2009 at 2:24 PM, Darby Weaver <ccie.weaver_at_gmail.com> wrote:

> I think what people are saying is that the Cisco CCIE Certification hold a
> certain value to Cisco Partners.
>
> It does not hold that same value to Cisco Companies that are basically in
> essence, end-users.
>
> Therefore people who are gainfully employed (not with a Cisco Partner and
> not playing some video game) may want or can earn an extra income by virtue
> of working god knows how many hours to earn a Cisco Certification.
>
> I think it is called Return on Investment aka ROI. You know like the CCIE
> or other Cisco Certified Professsional spends x dollars on his/her
> certification and now would like to recoup not only the costs (which neither
> Cisco nor the employer may have paid for by the way) but at some point make
> a profit.
>
> I don't think that makes them lazy - I think that makes them innovative and
> maximizes their ROI.
>
>
> Now that's just gotta suck for people who are either working for Cisco
> Partners full-time or are currently unemployed.
>
> But don't the the players... hate the game.
>
> Cisco can change this if they want to.
>
> Meanwhile, it may sound shady, but Cisco writes the rules, not the Gold
> Partner.
>
> The fundamental idea was to provide a higher level of customer service to
> the client.
>
> But supply and demand and that green stuff that comes essentially from
> trees... got in the way.
>
> So if a Cisco Partner is able to continue this practice both successfully
> and profitably then ask Cisco how that happened.
>
> Cause it did not start or stop with Certiifed Professionals signing a
> contract to earn money for their services or skills or "endorsement".
>
> Imagine where a lawyer would be if they could not make money on "RETAINER".
>
> Hmmm....
>
> Are we a "PROFESSION" or are we "HOURLY"?
>
> Careful which distinction you make.
>
> A lot us like the term professional.
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> On Wed, May 13, 2009 at 10:24 AM, Persio Pucci <persio_at_gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> So if the whole world is doing s**t with their lives, you feel fine to do
>> it
>> to yours?
>> To all of you who are interested in selling your number to Shady Corp.,
>> you
>> guys are probably in the wrong business and probably got you number on the
>> wrong purposes.
>>
>> Just my 2c
>>
>> On Tue, May 12, 2009 at 6:03 AM, Naheel Zia <nh4312_at_gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> > Give me a cisco's Documented proff , that there is an LIFE time BAN for
>> > this
>> > .......
>> >
>> > the whole world is doing like this
>> >
>> > One Company has 2 CCIE's who are working with some other company , but
>> have
>> > their id assosiated with some other patner .
>> >
>> > so why is it just life ban for the CCIE candidate - why not some action
>> > againt the employer - who is just paying them $1000/- or what ever they
>> > agree on insted of having them on a permanent pay scale ??
>> >
>> > Is there any cisco POLICY for this - i would like to know the link
>> > please..........
>> >
>> > Regards,
>> >
>> > Naheel
>> >
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