Re: Network Monitoring

Dear Parshant,
The projects on which I am working are very big Alhumdulilah BUT what HP
Openview and IBM tivoli products are requires is to HAVE ONE DEDICATED
PERSON to manage these products. This is I can not afford to tell my
customer as it will further increase the cost and ROI will further decrease.

I don't which organization you are working for but for us we calculate ROI
first and then value the solution accordingly. We are not going
to flattened by marketing strategies like "Human" Networks and others and
just sell the solution.

Banks and other organizations are for me mostly are stupid organization in
terms of ROI as you know the Banks usually have enough amount of MONEY so
they can BUY the things as much as they want.

They don't consider the REAL ROI (Calculated one). By the way you already
supported my reason by using the word "Specialized engineers"

2009/5/9 Asif Gul Khan <nockhi_at_gmail.com>

> Nagios would be gud choice as well.....
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> On Sat, May 9, 2009 at 3:33 PM, Alexei Monastyrnyi <alexeim73_at_gmail.com>wrote:
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>> Bill,
>> from first hand experience, designing and deploying NMC-like thing is a
>> big project. My .02 cents would be that you clearly set your goals before
>> buying something like HP OV or Cisco Works. They are good but they are
>> complex, one has to have hands free and full support from management for the
>> project and then ability to do a proper hand-over to network operations
>> department. Otherwise it is gonna be mess.
>>
>> HTH,
>> A.
>>
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>> jockey wearer wrote:
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>>> I think Mr.Nasim you did not work for big organization and seems to be
>>> working with small firm.
>>> There are some banks which uses HP Open view Over Cisco Works.
>>> HP open view has multiple modules(suite of software applications) and
>>> there
>>> are specialized engineers for NMS for large-scale system.
>>> what you means by " Why to Spend thousands of dolloars for really
>>> nothing."
>>> There are some places where money doesnt keep value like
>>> banks,Airlines,Ministry sectors to keep tracking on system.
>>> Hope you unserstand . ; ) Wink
>>>
>>> Thanks
>>> Prashant
>>>
>>> On Sat, May 9, 2009 at 10:30 AM, Muhammad Nasim <
>>> muhammad.nasim_at_gmail.com>wrote:
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>>>> I used IBM Net tivoli and realy did not find it good. No proper support
>>>> from
>>>> IBM and also the GUI of the product not user friendly.
>>>> My personal point of view regarding the one in all network management
>>>> solutions like IBM Tivoli or HP OpenView is not in favor for these
>>>> products.
>>>>
>>>> Why to Spend thousands of dolloars for really nothing.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> 2009/5/9 David Clark <dclark_at_ccbootcamp.com>
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>>>>> If you are looking for a free tool then Cacti can't be beaten.
>>>>>
>>>>> http://www.cacti.net/
>>>>>
>>>>> There are plugins available for Cacti that will perform the type of
>>>>> monitoring you require.
>>>>>
>>>>> If you are looking to purchase a product, then you might consider
>>>>> IBM's
>>>>> Tivoli Netview.
>>>>>
>>>>> http://www-01.ibm.com/software/tivoli/products/netview/
>>>>>
>>>>> It's not easy to setup nor particularly user friendly , but it's
>>>>> industrial
>>>>> strength and scales extremely well.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
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>>>>> ________________________________
>>>>>
>>>>> From: nobody_at_groupstudy.com on behalf of Bill Mckenzie
>>>>> Sent: Fri 5/8/2009 1:26 PM
>>>>> To: ccielab_at_groupstudy.com
>>>>> Subject: OT:Network Monitoring
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>>
>>>>> I am looking for information on network monitoring software that would
>>>>> be
>>>>> good
>>>>> for a financial instituation, in which I mean the network has an
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> extremely
>>>>
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>>>>> large number of switch ports and interfaces that need monitored and
>>>>> would
>>>>> need
>>>>> polled every 5 - 10 seconds. This is an environment where mere
>>>>>
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>>>> milliseconds
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>>>>> of
>>>>> latency could cause major issues and 5 minute trending is not
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> appropriate.
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>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks in advance,
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Bill CCIE#16725, CCVP,CCSP
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