Re: CCIE Wireless

> > As for legacy technologies not going away...sure they may not
> completely go
> > away for a while.

I heard a great one-liner from a former Cisco Account Manager a while
back. In his opening remarks at a gathering I attended, he said:

"Old protocols never die, they just get encapsulated!"

When I laughed out loud at that "joke," I knew then just how truly and
completely a nerd I'd become...

On May 7, 2009, at 9:39 , Tony Varriale wrote:

> Do you need Cisco to sponsor that for you?
>
> You wanting to take a job and the requirement of learning SNA has
> nothing to
> do with the topic just as a 24 year old out of school.
>
> Let's stay together here.
>
> As for legacy technologies not going away...sure they may not
> completely go
> away for a while. But, it is an extremely small part of a market and
> $$$...especially for Cisco.
>
> Back on topic...
>
> tv
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Charles.Henson_at_Regions.com [mailto:Charles.Henson_at_Regions.com]
> Sent: Thursday, May 07, 2009 10:01 PM
> To: Tony Varriale
> Cc: 'Cisco certification'; nobody_at_groupstudy.com
> Subject: RE: CCIE Wireless
>
> I'll give you that SNA isn't nearly as active. I did the consulting
> stuff
> for a while and 99% was "modern" stuff. However, I'm settled into the
> financial vertical and have been here for a while. Like Scott said,
> Finance, Automotive, Government, etc. These legacy technologies aren't
> going away anytime soon and the young 24 year old fresh IE out of
> school is
> gonna have enough trouble just spelling SNA much less working out
> some of
> the little pleasures in life like reverse bit ordering with token ring
> bridging and RIF. I'm not an IE (yet) but I worked that junk back in
> Vietnam. Maybe Cisco should sponsor an "old school" discipline with
> nothing
> but the stuff that died with the two day labs?
>
> Charles
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> From: "Tony Varriale" <tvarriale_at_flamboyaninc.com>
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> To: "'Cisco certification'" <ccielab_at_groupstudy.com>
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> Date: 05/07/2009 09:44 PM
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> Subject: RE: CCIE Wireless
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> Sure, I've done that too. In fact I had some DLSW pop up this year.
>
> But, it's <1%.
>
> Are there spots? Sure. Will there be for a while? Sure. Is the
> track
> active? No. And it does not reflect the market as a whole.
>
> I know people that still code in JCL and COBOL. What do I win? :)
>
> tv
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Charles.Henson_at_Regions.com [mailto:Charles.Henson_at_Regions.com]
> Sent: Thursday, May 07, 2009 8:22 PM
> To: Tony Varriale
> Cc: 'Cisco certification'; nobody_at_groupstudy.com
> Subject: RE: CCIE Wireless
>
> I know two "old school" IEs that are R&S certified and one that is SNA
> certified and they all spend 75% of their time working in a complex
> mainframe environment.
> Commonly used terms:
>
> SNA
> DLSW
> STUN
> BSTUN
> FEP
> MAU
> LU
> PU
> "Beaconing"
> MAU
> etc.
>
> I feel the new certs are there for a reason but there are still a
> lot of
> big businesses and governments out there who would be in a real bind
> if no
> one knew those "forgotten technologies". They have their market as
> well.
>
> Charles
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> From: "Tony Varriale" <tvarriale_at_flamboyaninc.com>
>
>
>
> To: "'Cisco certification'" <ccielab_at_groupstudy.com>
>
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> Date: 05/07/2009 07:59 PM
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> Subject: RE: CCIE Wireless
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> Not to take away from any holder of older CCIEs, but I put more
> weight in
> current ones as they reflect the market.
>
> IMO, Dial and SNA are in the same class as my initial Brocade certs,
> NT4
> MCSE and 4.1 CNE. Great for drinkin' and telling stories but
> shouldn't be
> considered in a CCIE race.
>
> The current program should be the standard.
>
> tv
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nobody_at_groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody_at_groupstudy.com] On Behalf
> Of
> Ryan
> West
> Sent: Thursday, May 07, 2009 3:42 PM
> To: Luan Nguyen; 'Roman Rodichev'; 'ccie preparation'; 'Cisco
> certification'
> Subject: RE: CCIE Wireless
>
> No, this mutant still exists:
>
> CCIE #4110 - Michael Purcell (6,Routing and Switching, ISP Dial, SNA
> IP,
> Security, Service Provider, Voice)
>
> What's interesting is that Roman's are all current non-retired IE
> tracks.
> So, I believe that makes a Roman a mutant too.
>
> -ryan
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nobody_at_groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody_at_groupstudy.com] On Behalf
> Of
> Luan
> Nguyen
> Sent: Thursday, May 07, 2009 4:08 PM
> To: 'Roman Rodichev'; 'ccie preparation'; 'Cisco certification'
> Subject: RE: CCIE Wireless
>
> Good luck!
> If pass = the first 6X CCIE?
>
> -----------------------------------------------
> Luan Nguyen
> Chesapeake NetCraftsmen, LLC.
> [Web] http://www.netcraftsmen.net
> ------------------------------------------------
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nobody_at_groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody_at_groupstudy.com] On Behalf
> Of
> Roman Rodichev
> Sent: Thursday, May 07, 2009 4:02 PM
> To: ccie preparation; Cisco certification
> Subject: Re: CCIE Wireless
>
> Tom,
>
> we'll have first rack up in July. My first attempt is next week
> Thursday,
> so
> I'll have a better idea how to readjust the vrack.
>
> Regards,
>
> Roman Rodichev
> 5xCCIE #7927 (R&S, Security, Voice, Storage, Service Provider)
> Instructor, Content Developer
> ieMentor Corporation http://www.iementor.com
> Y!M: roman7927
>
>
>
>> -------Original Message-------
>> From: ccie preparation <ccie22_at_gmail.com>
>> Subject: CCIE Wireless
>> Sent: May 07 '09 12:34
>>
>> Any vendor gearing up to provide racks for ccie wireless?
>> Thanks,
>> Tom
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