RE: Cisco Announced change to R&S

If the troubleshooting section is the same almost all the time, the
proctors/lab development team are just being lazy (and I HIGHLY doubt and do
NOT believe that's the case, so if any of them read this please don't take
that comment poorly).

Take a working network from the end of any 8 hour CCIE lab and there are at
least 20 easy ways to break it (the proctors will have seen candidates break
the labs almost every which way possible by now) to create a 2 hour
troubleshooting lab (probably 10 minutes minimum time if the candidate is
sharp enough). They could come up with new questions daily if not weekly.
Assuming just 5 base labs all they need to do is to have a different base
lab for each day of the week and break it a couple of different ways each
week and those who try to brute force their way to success might as well go
home (or better yet, come to us to get trained to pass the right way).

This section is what the OEQ's should have been, and the feedback was
obviously taken on board (and they kept the OEQ's for good measure which
adds to the exam integrity even more).

I've said it at least 10 times in the past 2 days in many places - the new
blueprint is awesome.

Cheers,
 
Jared Scrivener CCIE3 #16983 (R&S, Security, SP), CISSP
Sr. Technical Instructor - IPexpert, Inc.
Telephone: +1.810.326.1444
Fax: +1.810.454.0130
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-----Original Message-----
From: nobody_at_groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody_at_groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
George Roman
Sent: Wednesday, 6 May 2009 4:00 PM
To: Larry Hadrava
Cc: Scott Morris; Radioactive Frog; Ryan West; Scott M Vermillion; Dark
Fiber; Darby Weaver; Nauman Habib; Cisco certification; ron wilkerson
Subject: Re: Cisco Announced change to R&S

I agree Scott is always right :) now serious we need to make distinction
between the cause and the effect.
You can get all day "network is down" effect (i get it also). But if the
cause is always the same you will solve this in 1 minute and you get the
"how good this guy is".

What i am trying to say here is that if cisco is going to give you the same
cause most the time, the the troubleshooting part will be easy points.

Best regards,
George

On Thu, May 7, 2009 at 12:49 AM, Larry Hadrava <lhadrava_at_ipexpert.com>wrote:

> Scott has a good point. I get the network is down calls all day. I play
> Columbo and find out that one user cannot open an email with a blobked
> attachment. I love my job:-)
> Larry Hadrava
> CCIE #12203 CCNP CCNA
> Sr. Support Engineer b IPexpert, Inc.
> URL: http://www.IPexpert.com
>
>
> On Wed, May 6, 2009 at 6:00 PM, Scott Morris <
> smorris_at_internetworkexpert.com> wrote:
>
>> I think it would be easier to just have a ticket saying "The network is
>> broken." which is how most user-instigated tickets start anyway. ;)
>>
>>
>>
>>
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>>
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>> George Roman wrote:
>> > I think it depends on cisco also how often will they make the same
>> > issues to repeat.
>> > Think about it... if they have 5 issues and they keep doing the same
>> > it will be easy enough if someone just tells you for example "bgp has
>> > the wrong as number" and there you go.. you have the points.
>> >
>> > Regards,
>> > George
>> >
>> >
>> > On Tue, May 5, 2009 at 6:20 PM, Radioactive Frog <pbhatkoti_at_gmail.com
>> > <mailto:pbhatkoti_at_gmail.com>> wrote:
>> >
>> > Just wondering about the lab-rat(s) - what strategy will they be
>> > thinking to
>> > cheat the troubleshooting section?
>> >
>> > Duh!
>> >
>> > -Frog
>> >
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