Re: 4000 CCIEs in 18 months???

It's not that bad. While I do feel the heat coming from fresh and
young CCIE's, because they accept decreasing salaries from Cisco
partners chasing numbers only, most of them are still pure geeks that
can not understand business and design requirements like the old hats
out there. So there is a market for everybody. But I have to admit
that I am glad that I did my second CCIE, then started an MBA, then
going to chase the CCDE, just to keep above the pack and stop getting
bored anyway.

Mihai

On Wed, May 6, 2009 at 6:52 PM, darth router <darklordrouter_at_gmail.com> wrote:
> It's a bummer that cisco is trying to crank out that many CCIE's. I'm
> willing to bet the founders of the program did not have this in mind.
> Whether it's all cisco, or it's all a booming market demand, it doesn't
> really matter. More certified folks means less value for the worker bee. So
> evolve and diversify. It's simple. Go for other vendor certs :)
>
> On Wed, May 6, 2009 at 7:07 AM, D.H. Williams <draythw_at_gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> "This is a business decision made on the part of Cisco and their primary
>> concern is their own bottom line vs. that of CCIEs. The program was never
>> really intended to further the financial circumstances of individual cert
>> holders. It's about having experts out there that can move product and
>> actually get the stuff working to the satisfaction of Cisco product
>> customers (hopefully repeat customers in the eyes of Cisco). And from that
>> perspective, the more the merrier in Cisco's eyes."
>>
>> - I could not have said it better or agree more with you Scott.
>> Everything
>> is about Cisco Sales force meeting it's sales quotes. That is the bottom
>> line and should always be recognized.
>>
>> On Wed, May 6, 2009 at 10:01 AM, Scott M Vermillion <
>> scott_ccie_list_at_it-ag.com> wrote:
>>
>> > Unfortunately for us, I think it all goes back to what I said yesterday
>> > regarding the recert of existing CCIEs: This is a business decision made
>> on
>> > the part of Cisco and their primary concern is their own bottom line vs.
>> > that of CCIEs. The program was never really intended to further the
>> > financial circumstances of individual cert holders. It's about having
>> > experts out there that can move product and actually get the stuff
>> working
>> > to the satisfaction of Cisco product customers (hopefully repeat
>> customers
>> > in the eyes of Cisco). And from that perspective, the more the merrier
>> in
>> > Cisco's eyes.
>> >
>> > I was actually able to run a consulting business sans the CCIE for a
>> couple
>> > of years. But increasingly I was seeing really great opportunities that
>> I
>> > was perfect for not being extended to me because I didn't have the
>> number.
>> > When I finally made the decision to pursue the cert, it wasn't so that I
>> > could jack up my rate sky-high; it was so that I could maintain the
>> status
>> > quo going forward and gain access to those "CCIE-only" opportunities.
>> > Again, I think we're seeing that point of critical mass being reached
>> where
>> > holding a number is a baseline expectation for any kind of
>> senior/consulting
>> > position. From there you need to dazzle and impress with whatever it is
>> > that makes you stand out within your given niche or environment.
>> >
>> > We have intangibles to consider as well. Pursuing and maintaining the
>> CCIE
>> > cert forces many of us to acquire and sustain a level of knowledge and
>> even
>> > expertise in certain technologies we would not otherwise bother with. We
>> > may go to our graves never having put that knowledge to good use or we
>> may
>> > suddenly find ourselves in a position to capitalize. For a lot of people
>> > it's multicast (e.g). For me it's got to be Frame Relay. Never touched
>> the
>> > stuff outside of Cisco cert prep/maintenance. Point is, though, that I
>> > don't regret having acquired any of the knowledge along the way, I just
>> > appreciate some of it more than the rest.
>> >
>> > If anything is going to stem the tide of new candidates at this point
>> it's
>> > bound to be that horrendously awful new logo!! ;~)
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > On May 6, 2009, at 8:43 , bobby.kimble_at_gmail.com wrote:
>> >
>> > "BTW, it's my understanding that Cisco desires to crank out 4,000 new
>> >> CCIEs every >TWELVE< months, so hold on to your hats if you think the
>> past
>> >> 18 months were anything noteworthy..."
>> >>
>> >> At what point does this start to devalue the certification? MCSEs were a
>> >> big deal at one point. Now they might be able to get a job on a helpdesk
>> >> somewhere.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> On May 6, 2009 9:46am, Scott M Vermillion <scott_ccie_list_at_it-ag.com>
>> >> wrote:
>> >> > > I think you pretty much need a CCIE to make a living in most places
>> >> these days
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > I attended a meeting a while back and of the seven people in the room,
>> >> three of us were R&S CCIEs (two independent consultants and one channel
>> >> partner rep). The other four were the prospective client. Out of the
>> CCIE
>> >> bunch, I was the only one to not have ever published a book (need to get
>> on
>> >> that!). So I think we are indeed reaching that point of critical mass
>> that
>> >> Bobby suggests where the baseline expectation for consulting work (not
>> just
>> >> independent consulting, but also the kind where you are farmed out by
>> your
>> >> employer/channel partner too) is that you hold at least one CCIE. In an
>> >> effort to stand out from the rest of the CCIE pack, people are pursuing
>> >> second, third, etc CCIEs, MBAs, and even publishing books just for the
>> name
>> >> recognition (there's not a lot of money in it from what I understand, at
>> >> least not directly).
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > BTW, it's my understanding that Cisco desires to crank out 4,000 new
>> >> CCIEs every >TWELVE
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > On May 5, 2009, at 5:26 , Joseph L. Brunner wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > Nope... not even close guys...
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > Having two kids and $120,000 is not even your bills anymore after
>> >> taxes... if that doesn't motivate you to pass the CCIE nothing will...
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > I have lots of friends and ex-coworkers in that boat...
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > I think you pretty much need a CCIE to make a living in most places
>> >> these days and the number of people studying/taking/passing directly
>> >> reflects that...
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > Like 5 years ago I would ask people so are you going to get your CCIE,
>> >> they would say stuff like "my wife wont let me retreat from the family
>> all
>> >> weekend", etc.
>> >> >
>> >> > Now it's, Oh I passed R/S, I'm actually working on Voice :)
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > -Joe
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > -----Original Message-----
>> >> >
>> >> > From: nobody_at_groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody_at_groupstudy.com] On Behalf
>> Of
>> >> Brad Ellis
>> >> >
>> >> > Sent: Tuesday, May 05, 2009 7:28 PM
>> >> >
>> >> > To: Modular; Cisco certification
>> >> >
>> >> > Subject: RE: 4000 CCIEs in 18 months???
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > Oh boy...here we go...
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > So, first off, the lab is one day, vs. 2-days. But the biggest change
>> is
>> >> >
>> >> > the number of seats available. Probably 2 to 3 times that "back in the
>> >> >
>> >> > day" if not more. I'd say that the biggest impact.
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > thanks,
>> >> >
>> >> > Brad Ellis
>> >> >
>> >> > CCIE#5796 (R&S / Security)
>> >> >
>> >> > CCSI# 30482
>> >> >
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>> >> >
>> >> > -----Original Message-----
>> >> >
>> >> > From: nobody_at_groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody_at_groupstudy.com] On Behalf
>> Of
>> >> >
>> >> > Modular
>> >> >
>> >> > Sent: Tuesday, May 05, 2009 4:22 PM
>> >> >
>> >> > To: Cisco certification
>> >> >
>> >> > Subject: 4000 CCIEs in 18 months???
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > ALL,
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > I have a friend who passed his lab, (security), in November of 2007.
>> His
>> >> >
>> >> > number is 19511. I passed last week and my number is 24266. So, in 18
>> >> >
>> >> > months
>> >> >
>> >> > 4700+ people got their number. This seems crazy when you consider that
>> >> >
>> >> > between 1993 and the end of 2007 there were 18500+ CCIEs. What do you
>> >> >
>> >> > guys
>> >> >
>> >> > attribute this increase to? Dynamips?? Is it that there s wasn t an
>> >> >
>> >> > Ipexpert
>> >> >
>> >> > or Internetwork Expert around back in the day ? Is the lab easier
>> than
>> >> >
>> >> > it
>> >> >
>> >> > use to be?
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > Bryan
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > Bryan Rakestraw
>> >> >
>> >> > CCIE# 24266 (R&S)
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
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