Re: 4000 CCIEs in 18 months???

I agree with everything all of you have said. For old hats like me (been
doing network engineering for 14yrs now), alot of has change (and continues
to do so), but alot of the baseline concepts are the same. 10+ years ago,
finding core routing and switching guys who really knew there stuff would
have taken you awhile. For people like me who were in college and gratuated,
they didn't teach this stuff in school (back then a Computer Engineering
undergrad degree was a glorified Electrical Engineer who knew a bit of
software development and a whole lot of assembly language). Nowadays you got
highschool kids coming up with core routing/switching and security skills.
ALL colleges teach skills that are applicable to TODAYS work force. Its much
more competitive and (for guys like me who just love the technology)
exciting. If you want it,if you have time, if you have a drive, you will
get it. Lots of good teachers out there and good materials to help people
get to their goal. Much, much more than in the old days, where there were no
schools, materials, and you were basically on your own reading the Cisco
CCIE books of Roosevelt Giles and Bruce Caslow (for them old hats out
there).

Congrats to all the new guys getting their numbers. And for the rest of us
who don't have it..keep working hard to get it.

Good luck with your studying..

On Tue, May 5, 2009 at 8:26 PM, Santiago Enciso
<senciso_at_infocenter.com.py>wrote:

> And what about Cisco's growth? The company itself has been growing at that
> speed.
>
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>
> -----Mensaje original-----
> De: nobody_at_groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody_at_groupstudy.com] En nombre de
> Jared
> Scrivener
> Enviado el: Martes, 05 de Mayo de 2009 08:16 p.m.
> Para: 'Joseph L. Brunner'; 'Brad Ellis'; 'Modular'; 'Cisco certification'
> Asunto: RE: 4000 CCIEs in 18 months???
>
> I'd attribute it to a wider acceptance of the certification in our field
> (and wider recognition of the $ value of the CCIE), a larger number of
> seats
> and, most importantly a FAR higher level of quality training at a much more
> affordable price due to the desire of each of the vendors to create the
> best
> possible training products. Gotta love the free market. :)
>
> Cheers,
>
> Jared Scrivener CCIE3 #16983 (R&S, Security, SP), CISSP
> Sr. Technical Instructor - IPexpert, Inc.
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: nobody_at_groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody_at_groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
> Joseph L. Brunner
> Sent: Tuesday, 5 May 2009 4:27 PM
> To: Brad Ellis; Modular; Cisco certification
> Subject: RE: 4000 CCIEs in 18 months???
>
> Nope... not even close guys...
>
> Having two kids and $120,000 is not even your bills anymore after taxes...
> if that doesn't motivate you to pass the CCIE nothing will...
>
> I have lots of friends and ex-coworkers in that boat...
>
> I think you pretty much need a CCIE to make a living in most places these
> days and the number of people studying/taking/passing directly reflects
> that...
>
> Like 5 years ago I would ask people so are you going to get your CCIE, they
> would say stuff like "my wife wont let me retreat from the family all
> weekend", etc.
> Now it's, Oh I passed R/S, I'm actually working on Voice :)
>
> -Joe
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nobody_at_groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody_at_groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
> Brad
> Ellis
> Sent: Tuesday, May 05, 2009 7:28 PM
> To: Modular; Cisco certification
> Subject: RE: 4000 CCIEs in 18 months???
>
> Oh boy...here we go...
>
> So, first off, the lab is one day, vs. 2-days. But the biggest change is
> the number of seats available. Probably 2 to 3 times that "back in the
> day" if not more. I'd say that the biggest impact.
>
> thanks,
> Brad Ellis
> CCIE#5796 (R&S / Security)
> CCSI# 30482
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: nobody_at_groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody_at_groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
> Modular
> Sent: Tuesday, May 05, 2009 4:22 PM
> To: Cisco certification
> Subject: 4000 CCIEs in 18 months???
>
> ALL,
>
> I have a friend who passed his lab, (security), in November of 2007. His
> number is 19511. I passed last week and my number is 24266. So, in 18
> months
> 4700+ people got their number. This seems crazy when you consider that
> between 1993 and the end of 2007 there were 18500+ CCIEs. What do you
> guys
> attribute this increase to? Dynamips?? Is it that there s wasn t an
> Ipexpert
> or Internetwork Expert around back in the day ? Is the lab easier than
> it
> use to be?
>
>
>
> Bryan
>
>
> Bryan Rakestraw
> CCIE# 24266 (R&S)
>
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