RE: Core Knowledge - Don't mis-interpret this

I think if people really studied for the written exam, and understood
the topics in the written exam in detail, passing the open ended
questions would be "easy." It's a great reason to actual prepare aka
STUDY for the written exam by learning and understanding the
technologies that the written exam covers. We have a written study guide
that we are going to revise and add additional content so that it also
covers, in more depth, potential open-ended question items.

thanks,
Brad Ellis
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-----Original Message-----
From: nobody_at_groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody_at_groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
Darby Weaver
Sent: Wednesday, April 22, 2009 8:12 AM
To: Cyrus
Cc: Paul Cosgrove; George Roman; Salah ElShekeil; Mohamed El Henawy;
Pavel Bykov; Joseph L. Brunner; Larry; ccielab_at_groupstudy.com
Subject: Re: Core Knowledge - Don't mis-interpret this

Guys we are taking this much too literal.

I don't think one person has reported having to cite an RFC in a Cisco
Open-Ended Question.

Not a single one.

What I have heard is that we, as CCIE candidates, are being asked to be
able
to explain the technology for about 4-5 questions and given about 30
minutes
to do it in (or less).

Now given that in most Cisco Exams a test-taken is expected to answer
about
1 question in about 1 - 1.5 minutes per question, this is pretty
generous.

Given that the lab is about 480 minutes and there might be about... +/-
40-60 tasks or about 8-12 minutes per given task... this might not seem
as
generous. Of course my numbers are estimates and by no means indicates
any
sort of breach of confidentiality. :) Just a guess based on anyone's
labs...

So to be clear:

1. The Open-Ended Questions scared the hell out of the people wanting to
take a free ride down CCIE-Lane...

2. The Open-Ended Questions made real CCIE Candidates a lot more wary
and a
lot more likely to be a lot moer formidable at any given job interview
or as
a lead on any given project. Hidden beneifts...

3. The Open-Ended Questions are usually described as fair for the most
part
(Anyone seen the Poly-Labs from InternetworkExpert yet... might be one
of
the best preps available for this kind of "lateral thinking").

4. Overall the value and sanctity of the CCIE Program was at stake.
This
program brings it home. Some people who might have passed might have to
make an extra trip and a lot of people who should not be taking the trip
in
the first place will probably never get their digits in the first place.
Wanton gunmen probably will never pass the lab under these conditions.

5. What's wrong with knowing the technology a little deeper? Isn't the
"E"
in CCIE for Expert?

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Received on Wed Apr 22 2009 - 09:36:00 ART