Re: Core Knowledge - Don't mis-interpret this

At the end of the day there are some RFCs that all of us just (or should
just) know.
RFC 1918 eg.
Now I would be surprised if anyone actually knew the no 1918 but didnt know
to what it referred.
In any case, if we are expected to know some common RFC nos for the lab,
than I would suggest memorising some nos and what they represent.
I dont think it would be..difficult to learn some RFC nos and have a vague
idea of what they contain.
Memorisation techniques can help, plus, as mentioned, its good to know
certain RFCs from an interoperability perspective.

Anyway, theres not much we can do about the type of open questions we will
get, but its good to know about the type of questions we can get.

2009/4/22 George Roman <georgeroman_at_gmail.com>

> Paul do not want to be rude but to learn RFC numbers does not define you as
> an expert (unless you are out of your mind or have to much free time)
> knowing those numbers does not meen that you know what is inside the
> document itself.
> To me it is like you learn ip numbers by hard just in case. BTW do you know
> the ip address of google ? i guess you are using it every day but you never
> wandered.
>
> Best regards,
> George
>
> On Wed, Apr 22, 2009 at 12:02 PM, Paul Cosgrove <paul.cosgrove_at_gmail.com
> >wrote:
>
> > Hi Salah,
> >
> > Asking a small number of simple questions about common RFCs does not
> strike
> > me as unfair.
> >
> > Will most customers be interested in them, no. Will they be interested
> in
> > interoperability, yes. RFCs are developed to provide a common
> understanding
> > of how protocols should operate. They are the authoritative source for
> what
> > behaviour should be, and vendor specs refer to them to explain what their
> > products can do. If you are familiar with common RFC numbers, and what
> they
> > represent, then you will understand product specs more quickly and can
> > understand their differences and limitations. If you want to check to
> see
> > if a feature is supported by multiple vendors, you can either check
> through
> > all the vendors product docs for every tiny detail, or you can check to
> see
> > if they support the RFC.
> >
> > There are obviously a huge number of RFC, and I would have thought most
> > people are (and should be) familiar with a small number; particularly
> those
> > related to ingress filtering, private addresses and some of the more
> common
> > routing protocols RFCs. Many text books were written based on old RFCs
> > which have since been updated. If your studies are based on only reading
> > old books you may achieve a good understanding of old protocol behaviour
> and
> > terminology, but little understanding of how it has changed and how it
> > currently operates. Familiarity with a few common RFCs, and their key
> > differences, may also suggest that someone has really studied the topic
> in
> > detail rather than focusing their studies on simply producing configs for
> > the lab, perhaps not gaining a good general understanding in the process.
> >
> > Quite apart from their use as a reference of what behaviour is like now,
> > RFCs also define new proposed protocols. They are a good indication of
> which
> > areas are the focus of current research, and the direction in which the
> > industry is moving. You wouldn't expect someone to know about cutting
> edge
> > technologies for the lab, but they can be interesting and good for your
> > general knowledge.
> >
> > Paul.
> >
> >
> >
> > Salah ElShekeil wrote:
> >
> >> RFCs?!?i
> >>
> >> On Wed, Apr 22, 2009 at 10:56 AM, Paul Cosgrove <
> paul.cosgrove_at_gmail.com
> >> >wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>> Hold times are very important. Customers often ask about failover. How
> >>> long will it take? Well it largely depends on your hold time, since
> that
> >>> often determines how long it takes to detect the failure.
> >>>
> >>> Paul.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Salah ElShekeil wrote:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>> Agree with u Mohammed, or rfc#, what it will add to my knowledge!!!!!
> >>>> nothing,
> >>>>
> >>>> It s a networking lab exam not a history exam.
> >>>>
> >>>> On Wed, Apr 22, 2009 at 9:46 AM, Mohamed El Henawy <m.henawy_at_link.net
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>> i don't think customers ask about hold time :)
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Pavel Bykov" <slidersv_at_gmail.com
> >
> >>>>> To: "Joseph L. Brunner" <joe_at_affirmedsystems.com>
> >>>>> Cc: "Larry" <cc13lab_at_gmail.com>; <ccielab_at_groupstudy.com>
> >>>>> Sent: Wednesday, April 22, 2009 7:20 AM
> >>>>> Subject: Re: Core Knowledge - Don't mis-interpret this
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I think Cisco may have wanted to simulate customer environment.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> When I visit a customer, they ask some questions and they do expect
> >>>>>> answers.
> >>>>>> If I give them the correct answer, they ask a few more and if it's
> all
> >>>>>> correct answers they want me to look at this and that is basically
> >>>>>> living
> >>>>>> up
> >>>>>> to the reputation of CCIE. The customer wants to do business because
> >>>>>> of
> >>>>>> supplier knowledge. They see what they pay for.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> On the other hand, if you answer your customer, don't know and that
> >>>>>> you
> >>>>>> have
> >>>>>> to look it up, well... If the customer thinks it's just a simple
> >>>>>> question
> >>>>>> that you should have known, maybe that will be the missed
> opportunity
> >>>>>> for
> >>>>>> huge projects.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> That's why I think Cisco puts only a few questions in.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Pavel
> >>>>>>
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