Re: Core Knowledge - Don't mis-interpret this

I am all for what Cisco is trying to accomplish here, but committing the
whole blueprint to memory for 4 questions doesn't seem to make sense nor is
it feasible... If it was, you wouldn't get access to the doc site during the
lab exam for those things you are familiar with but needed to look up...

There has to be other ways... I will gladly interview with a proctor instead
of these questions that can come from every little dark corner of the
blueprint...

Better yet lock down your lab locations so we can get back to learning, not
memorizing...

On Fri, Apr 17, 2009 at 7:56 PM, Narbik Kocharians <narbikk_at_gmail.com>wrote:

> Anthony,
>
> hahahaha
>
> I will NEVER zing you, because you are recommending something that works,
> besides i have nothing to gain by zinging anyone, but i totally agree with
> what you are saying, Jeff Doyle's books will do may be 10 percent (i can't
> believe people would say a thing like that), whereas, blueprint will do 100
> percent.
> Larry, you must have come very close in your lab, would you take my
> recommendation and retake the boot camp one more time, you will get
> version 2.0, there are lots of changes in that Boot Camp. It will not cost
> you a dime.
>
>
>
> On Fri, Apr 17, 2009 at 3:55 PM, Joseph L. Brunner
> <joe_at_affirmedsystems.com>wrote:
>
> > Larry,
> >
> > I think the answer is you need another attempt... Don't take it too
> > badly...
> > Life is all chance... Great job, Bad job. Nice lady, leftist feminist.
> Cool
> > client, wants 100 hours work for $100. You have to learn to just brush
> this
> > stuff off and keep going... Everyone that failed had their doubts they
> would
> > ever pass... but believe me. As long as there is a strong will, then you
> > shall pass.
> >
> > Its only money... $1400... I know MANY people with high six, or seven
> > figure 401k or stock accounts.... gone since last year... I know one guy
> who
> > was "set". He's like 5 years older than me. He had like $1M in his 401k,
> > ira, etc. he is down to like nothing now... he even threw his $150,000
> > release package after a merger into the markets 1 year ago only to see it
> > evaporate last fall.
> >
> > We all die and turn grey at some point... Imagine looking at yourself
> dead
> > 5 minutes after you died at age, say 52 from pancreatic cancer... Who
> will
> > care?
> >
> > Now still want to quit chasing this cert?
> >
> > -Joe
> > #19366
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: nobody_at_groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody_at_groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
> > Larry
> > Sent: Friday, April 17, 2009 1:53 PM
> > To: ccielab_at_groupstudy.com
> > Subject: Core Knowledge - Don't mis-interpret this
> >
> > A grabbing subject which I have seen tons of posts on. The problem is the
> > section is not what it implies...
> >
> > I usually don't post much but for some reason I have not heard anyone
> > explain what is expected from this section. Some say to read and know
> your
> > core L3 stuff really good... other say that it is so easy that you don't
> > have to study... Well I figured I would assist in this quest as I failed
> > the
> > test a few weeks back because of this very topic and think there is a
> > feeling out there that if you know your routing/L3 you will be okay....
> > Don't be fooled by Core Knowledge - know your ip services/features and
> off
> > topics and know how to configure them w/o the doc cd (or at least try).
> >
> > Here is a post that I added to my blog, take it for what it is worth. I
> > have
> > talked to a lot of other candidates some that had similar experiences and
> > some had such basic stuff that a ccna could answer. Hopefully this will
> > save
> > someone $1400!
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ___- Failed Attempt -
> > ______________________________________________________
> > __________________________________________________________
> >
> > Been a couple weeks now since my last attempt. The lab went really good,
> > felt like I got a test that I knew everything on. Finished up at 1:29 in
> > the
> > afternoon and had the rest of the time to review. I reviewed the entire
> > exam
> > twice and found 4 errors which would have cost some big points. My lab
> > score...... over 90% in 4 sections....
> >
> > Problem is I didn't get open ended questions that I knew, or
> understood....
> > One question was about the configuration of a subset of an ip feature. I
> > have done IE, IPEXPERT and all of the ASET labs and have not seen this
> > "feature" on any of them. The other question I guess I missed was one
> > written in classic cisco language of which I have still to find the
> answer
> > or the meaning of the question. The other questions that I got were basic
> > scenario type questions that required you to know the default values and
> > configurations of the feature in question. Not hard if you had done a ton
> > of
> > labs (like I had).
> >
> > I know there are people out there that say the questions are so basic
> that
> > any CCIE level candidate should know and I agree. In fact I found one of
> my
> > questions in the chapter summary of one of my cisco press books for the
> > ccnp. What is wrong with this type of testing is that there are only 4
> > questions. If you are suppose to be a CCIE you should know 80% of
> > everything
> > they throw at you. So with only 4 questions you are at a risk of getting
> 2
> > questions (or in my case a badly worded question in which no help can be
> > asked) which you don't know even though you know more than 80% of the
> > material. Why not give us 10 - 20 questions and expand the lab another 30
> > mins. Then the chances of a well prepared ccie candidate getting less
> than
> > 80% are almost non-existant.
> >
> > I am not at all against the ccie and I think that cisco had to do
> > something.
> > After all, I will get this certification and when I do I want all the
> hours
> > that have taken away from my family and friends to mean something. But I
> > think they missed the challenge on this one....
> >
> >
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