Re: To All

You make valid points Ronnie.

To be sure there are those who passed on their first attempt honestly.

Maybe I read so many "I passed the CCIE Lab in one shot" that it sounds a
lot like the "Hey I passed with 1000/1000" after a while.

Deep apologies to those who earned their CCIE's.

I still think it will be interesting to see the new stats this month on the
CCIE numbers.

On Thu, Apr 2, 2009 at 1:40 PM, Ronnie Angello <ronnie.angello_at_gmail.com>wrote:

> "Now if you get a guy who passed the lab on the first attempt... He should
> be walking on water too at least where lab criteria are concerned."
>
> Why is that? I can't speak for everyone but in my case I had well
> over 10 years of experience under my belt before attempting the lab.
> I failed the written exam twice and then went on to pass it twice
> before I even attempted the lab. I spent countless hours working
> through practice labs. I took 3 NMC CheckIT labs and scored 80+ on
> each of them. THEN I attempted the lab for the first time.
>
> Is it possible that some people are smart enough to wait until they
> know that they're ready before attempting the lab for the 1st, 2nd,
> 3rd, 4th, 5th, etc. time? In my case it came out of my pocket so I
> made damn well sure that I was ready. Even with all of that
> preparation and confidence I nearly failed. I finished with just
> enough time to check everything and caught a big mistake. It takes a
> bit of luck too IMHO. I passed 1st try but I don't know everything.
> I make mistakes and I don't "walk on water."
>
> Now I'm sure that there are some 1st time passers that take the easy
> road, and that pisses me off. I didn't see my infant son grow up for
> the better part of the first 6 months of his life while I worked on
> practice labs, read the doc cd, took mock labs, etc. I made
> sacrifices because I wanted it that bad. I'm tired of reading your
> little comments about how 1st time passers had to have cheated or
> received "help." I received no more help from anyone than you
> received in any of the bootcamps you attended and I 100% earned it.
>
> Ronnie
>
>
>
> On Thu, Apr 2, 2009 at 11:56 AM, Darby Weaver <ccie.weaver_at_gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > Actually Persio has a point.
> >
> > The goal of the certification programs has been met. People know the
> > products and they know the vendors.
> >
> > Merely studying to pass a test is really a mute point. Especially when
> so
> > many others don't even try to study.
> >
> > How many others? Well Sadikhov.com has over 150,000 registered members
> and
> > anywhere from 1000 -over 9000+ guests visited the site every single 15
> > minutes.
> >
> > That pretty is a testimory that the certifications are probably past
> their
> > shelf life.
> >
> > Even the CCIE program with the OEQ has already been tainted.
> >
> > But what chance did it have really? How many people out there don't even
> > consider "CHEATING" to be "CHEATING"...
> >
> > They really just want to make sure they pass the first time - whether
> they
> > learn or not is of little consequence.
> >
> > Hmmm...
> >
> > Let me say that again:
> >
> > They only want a passing score, even if it means all they had to do was
> > memorize their 123's and ABC's - meaning Q1 was A and Q2 was C and Q3 was
> > B.... etc.
> >
> > Hell - You have to understand that they had evolved beyond merely passing
> > the test... (I mean no self-respecting Sadikhovian ever wanted to report
> > less than a 1000/1000 score report)...
> >
> > Now they needed the sample resumes - to cheat from...
> >
> > And interview questions to prepare from...
> >
> > And...
> >
> > What do you think comes next?
> >
> > So... this all stops if people wake up and see what happened to the poor
> > ill-protected and often dis-respected Certfication Programs.
> >
> >
> > I'd recommend interviewers ask the job candidate for their score report
> as a
> > part of the interview process and conduct the interview based on the
> score.
> > If you get a guy who can amazingly score 1000/1000 then that person
> should
> > be amazingly sharp.
> >
> > Hah!
> >
> > Now if you get a guy who passed the lab on the first attempt... He
> should
> > be walking on water too at least where lab criteria are concerned.
> >
> > It is true I see non-certified people every day holding their own quite
> > well.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Thu, Apr 2, 2009 at 9:18 AM, Persio Pucci <persio_at_gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >> Want something better? We should definitely let go of certifications
> >> already... instead of studying to pass a test, go actually learn stuff
> and
> >> use it.
> >> I know a lot of people that just don't care about certs, and they are as
> >> good as us and are as recognized as us, not for their badges but for
> their
> >> work.
> >>
> >> Just my 2c...
> >>
> >>
> >> On Thu, Apr 2, 2009 at 10:06 AM, Ahsan Mohiuddin <
> >> ahsan.mohiuddin_at_gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>> Darby, it seems to me a waste of time and energy.. the ship's going
> down;
> >>> and we are all going down with it *sigh*. For all we know cisco
> high-ups
> >>> might be enjoying this heated debate of ours, since we NEVER get their
> >>> official word even when all hell breaks loose. i guess cisco management
> is
> >>> too g*ddam 'distributed' to come up with any swift/useful/decisive
> action
> >>> regarding their formerly "industry-leading, A-class" certification
> >>> program.
> >>> Sir John, hi there, can you hear us Sir.. please? we really need your
> >>> help.
> >>> Somebody please grab his attention
> >>>
> >>> Lets do Juniper or Foundry or Riverbed certs and hope that by the the
> time
> >>> the braindumpers can catch up, we will be sitting pretty in the high-up
> >>> management roles, and the 'mere technicalities' will no longer be an
> >>> issue... anybody think that a good idea? or is that just plain bs
> coming
> >>> out
> >>> of my overstressed, understimulated brain?
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On Thu, Apr 2, 2009 at 5:56 PM, Darby Weaver <ccie.weaver_at_gmail.com>
> >>> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> > Guys - IT IS NOT AN APRIL FOOL'S JOKE!
> >>> >
> >>> > NO IT IS NOT.
> >>> >
> >>> > It was there long before April and one of the guys from Sadikhov
> pointed
> >>> it
> >>> > out to me after I started cleaning Sadikhov.com of every post that
> hints
> >>> of
> >>> > mentioning P4S, TK, or the like. There are older posts but there are
> not
> >>> > any
> >>> > newer posts and if there are they are deleted on sight and the
> members
> >>> > posting the questions are banned for 7 days - those posting anything
> >>> that
> >>> > breaks copyright get banned for 1 month to 12 months - effectively
> >>> removing
> >>> > their ability to post any longer at all.
> >>> >
> >>> > Trust me this is no joke.
> >>> >
> >>> >
> >>> >
> >>> >
> >>> > On Thu, Apr 2, 2009 at 6:23 AM, Pavel Bykov <slidersv_at_gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >>> >
> >>> > > It looks like fake from the name.
> >>> > > His name is Gay... a bit self explanatory. And if you count in all
> the
> >>> > > Berries, then the intent of the author seems obvious.
> >>> > > Reported it non the less... this was really a downer.
> >>> > >
> >>> > >
> >>> > > On Thu, Apr 2, 2009 at 11:56 AM, Nick <ccieaz_at_googlemail.com>
> wrote:
> >>> > >
> >>> > >> shocking, i cant believe it.
> >>> > >>
> >>> > >> On a side not, there is no Cisco employee called "Gay Berryman",
> or
> >>> even
> >>> > >> with the second name "Berryman". So i think its a April fool or
> some
> >>> > kind
> >>> > >> of fake.
> >>> > >>
> >>> > >> Nick
> >>> > >>
> >>> > >> 2009/4/2 Darby Weaver <ccie.weaver_at_gmail.com>
> >>> > >>
> >>> > >> > BTW - Here is a prime example of the mentality of the faithful
> >>> Brain
> >>> > >> > Dumper
> >>> > >> > community that is thoroughly enraged at not having access to the
> >>> > latest
> >>> > >> > dumps, CBTS, and other copyrighted materials at his fingertips:
> >>> > >> >
> >>> > >> >
> >>> > >> >
> >>> > >> > [QUOTE (neo_adi @ Mar 21 2009, 05:35 PM)] [image:
> >>> > >> > *]<
> http://www.sadikhov.com/forum/index.php?act=findpost&pid=823528
> >>> >
> >>> > >> > I'm sure that braindumps weren't the only things shared in the
> >>> OFFERs
> >>> > >> and
> >>> > >> > request section..
> >>> > >> > Some really good CBTs and ebooks were shared.. hope the admins
> do
> >>> look
> >>> > >> at
> >>> > >> > it
> >>> > >> > and see to it that some arrangement is made to get back those
> posts
> >>> on
> >>> > >> > those
> >>> > >> > really wonderful CBT's and ebooks, study notes avaialable
> here...
> >>> > >> > [End of Quote]
> >>> > >> >
> >>> > >> >
> >>> > >> > [Quote]
> >>> > >> > yes this is the main reason why Sadikov was my first stop when
> new
> >>> > cbts
> >>> > >> > from
> >>> > >> > cbtnuggets or trainsignal I even was apart of a few group buys
> here
> >>> > >> which
> >>> > >> > built some cool online tech friendships
> >>> > >> >
> >>> > >> >
> >>> > >> > For the guy who said maybe this will give us true techs a chance
> at
> >>> > jobs
> >>> > >> > you
> >>> > >> > are a FAKE SIR!!! Any real tech knows right now the I.T field
> exp
> >>> > >> anything
> >>> > >> > with CISCO , sharepoint , exc hange and server 2008 puts you at
> the
> >>> > top
> >>> > >> of
> >>> > >> > the list for jobs.
> >>> > >> >
> >>> > >> > Get this braindump mentality out of your heads now its bad
> >>> > information.
> >>> > >> The
> >>> > >> > only way a braindump is bad is if you put no effort into
> studying
> >>> try
> >>> > to
> >>> > >> > buy
> >>> > >> > 1 and then memorize those answers
> >>> > >> >
> >>> > >> > The correct way to use a brain dump and how we do it at the
> >>> pentagon
> >>> > and
> >>> > >> > GOV
> >>> > >> > level
> >>> > >> >
> >>> > >> > 1) Pick a course
> >>> > >> > 2) Get the official book and try to find a cbt which relates to
> the
> >>> > >> subject
> >>> > >> > 3) Cbts usually in the begin give you ideas on what lab to build
> ,
> >>> as
> >>> > >> you
> >>> > >> > are reading try to simulate and do the same things the author or
> >>> cbt
> >>> > >> > teacher
> >>> > >> > is doing mostly getting used to areas in a program or command
> line
> >>> > >> > 4) Finish the book and cbt << You have now earned your right to
> >>> seek
> >>> > >> > answers
> >>> > >> > from any source possible now
> >>> > >> > 5) If having issues with wondering how they are going to attack
> you
> >>> on
> >>> > a
> >>> > >> > test get a practice test or pass4sure
> >>> > >> >
> >>> > >> >
> >>> > >> > For those who go straight to step 5 without doing the other get
> >>> ready
> >>> > to
> >>> > >> > have a employer laugh you at of his office during the interview
> >>> > because
> >>> > >> you
> >>> > >> > will show right then and there you have no idea about the
> subject .
> >>> > Most
> >>> > >> > employers will only want to know do you know anything about this
> >>> > >> question
> >>> > >> > topic and whats the main area or tool you will use to
> troubleshoot
> >>> > >> >
> >>> > >> > [End of Quote]
> >>> > >> >
> >>> > >> >
> >>> > >> > You see you'd have thought the Admin over at Sadikhov and guys
> like
> >>> me
> >>> > >> > killed their favorite dog or something.
> >>> > >> >
> >>> > >> > No people, in case you are a little slow, P4S and others are NOT
> >>> > >> legitimate
> >>> > >> > study aids.
> >>> > >> >
> >>> > >> > Go to certguard.com and check their lists. They'll help you
> see
> >>> the
> >>> > >> > light.
> >>> > >> >
> >>> > >> >
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> >>> > >> >
> >>> > >> >
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> >>> > >
> >>> > >
> >>> > > --
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> >>> > > ----------------
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> >>> value
> >>> > of
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> >>> http://www.stopbraindumps.com/
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