From: Scott Morris (swm@emanon.com)
Date: Wed Mar 25 2009 - 06:49:32 ART
Touche'. :) (Nice one, and VERY true!)
-----Original Message-----
From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of ftt
Sent: Tuesday, March 24, 2009 7:57 PM
To: Haroon
Cc: Andy Hogard; Ravi Singh; ccielab@groupstudy.com
Subject: Re: OT:Dumps are already out for open-ended questions!!
It is surprising how ignorant people can be.
how could you possibly come up with a statements like "asian centers,
countries where cheating is a way of life."
Some of the biggest cheats/crooks in the world are in the west (the USA to
be precise).........Bernard Madoff (to name just one).
On Tue, Mar 24, 2009 at 10:57 PM, Haroon <itguy.pro@gmail.com> wrote:
> Andy,
>
> Not the "R" card man... who is talking about race??? Cisco can have
testing
> center in heaven, if some people choose to facilitate cheating in that
> center, what can cisco do? All I am saying is that it is EASIER in those
> countries than it is in western countries... We have plenty of CCIEs who
> are
> from Asian countries passing the lab and tests in say "*white*" countries
> if
> you prefer to understand this issue based on color but that is certainly
> not
> my intent.
>
>
>
>
> On Tue, Mar 24, 2009 at 6:21 PM, Andy Hogard <andyhogard@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > So bottom line being, that only a white guy can be a true real ccie. I
> mean
> > did we just get past at being racist or perhaps even got lower than
that.
> > Alright agreed maybe the dumps are produced in say some Asian countries,
> but
> > then what about the role that cisco is playing here. Afterall its their
> > location, their test init?!
> >
> > Sheesh!! Stop talking like kids, actually my advise is that for
> > prerequisites of ccie, nationality must also be factored in, like only
> white
> > from developed countries guys can appear the test ..what say?!
> >
> > On Wed, Mar 25, 2009 at 3:35 AM, <itguy.pro@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >> Ravi, I'm not seeking a debate either but we can't deny the fact that
> >> probability is greater in those countries. Of course there are many in
> those
> >> countries that are not cheaters and do have respect for the law and
> believe
> >> in fairness.
> >>
> >> Cheers
> >> Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: Ravi Singh <way2ccie@googlemail.com>
> >>
> >> Date: Tue, 24 Mar 2009 21:57:22
> >> To: Haroon<itguy.pro@gmail.com>
> >> Cc: <ccielab@groupstudy.com>
> >> Subject: Re: OT:Dumps are already out for open-ended questions!!
> >>
> >>
> >> Haroon,
> >>
> >> As I said, I do not wish to start a debate , and more so on a forum
> >> like this . But you really need to chill and think sensibly.
> >> I will re-iterate what I said before in simpler words .Just because
> >> some of the countries you mentioned have a corruption rate higher than
> >> others, does not mean every Tom, Dick or Harry robbed on the planet
> >> will be by someone from one of these countries. You cannot make
> >> assumptions of your own and run amok blaming every individual/country
> >> you are not very fond of. Everyone has an opinion but sometimes it is
> >> better to keep it off to only yourself and I hope you understand this.
> >>
> >> P.S - You seem to be very knowledgeable on world affairs but still do
> >> not know who are the people ruining your certification value by
> >> selling these dumps.I would love to tell you where some of them are
> >> based at but that's not my objective of joining this forum. So for me
> >> and you - Carry on with the studies and be a genuine expert some day .
> >>
> >> I hope this can be the end of the discussion unless you have other
plans
> >> ;-)
> >>
> >> Ravi
> >>
> >> On Tue, Mar 24, 2009 at 9:20 PM, Haroon <itguy.pro@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> > Ravi,
> >> >
> >> > I don't know some of the sellers, since you know and you have
checked,
> >> why
> >> > don't you tell us where they are based? India? China? Russia?
> Pakistan?
> >> > Middle East? The seller can be in a cave with bin Laden, it does not
> >> matter
> >> > but the fact of the matter is that someone supplied the sellers with
> >> > questions and it is more than likely that the questions came from
> places
> >> > where corruption is rampant, cheating is the easy way to do things,
> >> > everybody has a price and respect for rule of law is almost zero.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > On Tue, Mar 24, 2009 at 5:00 PM, Ravi Singh <way2ccie@googlemail.com>
> >> wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> @itguypro
> >> >> And what's the way of life elsewhere ?? The topic is fiery and I
> don't
> >> >> wish to start a debate but your way of generalization doesn't sound
> >> >> good. If you know of some sellers of these dumps, which I am sure
you
> >> >> do , go and checkout where some of them are based at and you might
be
> >> >> in for a surprise. If someone wants to cheat, he will , does not
> >> >> matter if he lives in Asia , America or Australia.
> >> >>
> >> >> My point - Do not point fingers at others .. Its your number and
your
> >> >> choice how to obtain it...No one is forcing you to buy the dumps..
> >> >>
> >> >> Ravi
> >> >>
> >> >> On Tue, Mar 24, 2009 at 7:55 PM, <itguy.pro@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >> > Cisco's ASIAN mgmt... Someone is leaking the questions and more
> than
> >> >> > likely its from the asian centers, countries where cheating is a
> way
> >> of
> >> >> > life.
> >> >> > Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile
> >> >> >
> >> >> > -----Original Message-----
> >> >> > From: Salah ElShekeil <salah.elshekeil@gmail.com>
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Date: Tue, 24 Mar 2009 22:46:01
> >> >> > To: <itguy.pro@gmail.com>
> >> >> > Cc: Andy Hogard<andyhogard@gmail.com>; <ccielab@groupstudy.com>
> >> >> > Subject: Re: OT:Dumps are already out for open-ended questions!!
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> > they are a Cisco branch s what it the different between an Asian
> and
> >> >> > non
> >> >> > Asian, all of them under Cisco management!!!!
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> > On Tue, Mar 24, 2009 at 10:42 PM, <itguy.pro@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >> >
> >> >> >> Cisco should shut down its asian testing centers...imo.
> >> >> >> Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> >> >> From: Salah ElShekeil <salah.elshekeil@gmail.com>
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Date: Tue, 24 Mar 2009 22:33:12
> >> >> >> To: Andy Hogard<andyhogard@gmail.com>
> >> >> >> Cc: <ccielab@groupstudy.com>
> >> >> >> Subject: Re: OT:Dumps are already out for open-ended questions!!
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Definitely there is someone in Cisco selling the questions!!!!!
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> They must find him, not just adding extra headache on the
> >> candidates,
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> On Tue, Mar 24, 2009 at 10:09 PM, Andy Hogard <
> andyhogard@gmail.com
> >> >
> >> >> >> wrote:
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> > Yeah,
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > Its hard to believe but then I just came across some dumps for
> the
> >> >> >> > newly
> >> >> >> > introduced open ended questions!! It really makes me think
> twice,
> >> >> >> > about
> >> >> >> the
> >> >> >> > integrity left and what cisco is trying to achieve for now
might
> >> seem
> >> >> >> > to
> >> >> >> be
> >> >> >> > a holly grail. Not only this, the dump site is also making tall
> >> >> >> > claims of
> >> >> >> > updating the questions on a weekly basis. So point being
amongst
> >> the
> >> >> >> > 10
> >> >> >> > centers we have, there seems to be a compromised location
..eh?!
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > I am pretty astounded over the developments. So whats the whole
> >> point
> >> >> >> > of
> >> >> >> > having the new, open ended question format.
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > :'(
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > Regards,
> >> >> >> > Andy H.
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > --
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> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >
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