From: Haroon (itguy.pro@gmail.com)
Date: Tue Mar 24 2009 - 19:57:19 ART
Andy,
Not the "R" card man... who is talking about race??? Cisco can have testing
center in heaven, if some people choose to facilitate cheating in that
center, what can cisco do? All I am saying is that it is EASIER in those
countries than it is in western countries... We have plenty of CCIEs who are
from Asian countries passing the lab and tests in say "*white*" countries if
you prefer to understand this issue based on color but that is certainly not
my intent.
On Tue, Mar 24, 2009 at 6:21 PM, Andy Hogard <andyhogard@gmail.com> wrote:
> So bottom line being, that only a white guy can be a true real ccie. I mean
> did we just get past at being racist or perhaps even got lower than that.
> Alright agreed maybe the dumps are produced in say some Asian countries, but
> then what about the role that cisco is playing here. Afterall its their
> location, their test init?!
>
> Sheesh!! Stop talking like kids, actually my advise is that for
> prerequisites of ccie, nationality must also be factored in, like only white
> from developed countries guys can appear the test ..what say?!
>
> On Wed, Mar 25, 2009 at 3:35 AM, <itguy.pro@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Ravi, I'm not seeking a debate either but we can't deny the fact that
>> probability is greater in those countries. Of course there are many in those
>> countries that are not cheaters and do have respect for the law and believe
>> in fairness.
>>
>> Cheers
>> Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Ravi Singh <way2ccie@googlemail.com>
>>
>> Date: Tue, 24 Mar 2009 21:57:22
>> To: Haroon<itguy.pro@gmail.com>
>> Cc: <ccielab@groupstudy.com>
>> Subject: Re: OT:Dumps are already out for open-ended questions!!
>>
>>
>> Haroon,
>>
>> As I said, I do not wish to start a debate , and more so on a forum
>> like this . But you really need to chill and think sensibly.
>> I will re-iterate what I said before in simpler words .Just because
>> some of the countries you mentioned have a corruption rate higher than
>> others, does not mean every Tom, Dick or Harry robbed on the planet
>> will be by someone from one of these countries. You cannot make
>> assumptions of your own and run amok blaming every individual/country
>> you are not very fond of. Everyone has an opinion but sometimes it is
>> better to keep it off to only yourself and I hope you understand this.
>>
>> P.S - You seem to be very knowledgeable on world affairs but still do
>> not know who are the people ruining your certification value by
>> selling these dumps.I would love to tell you where some of them are
>> based at but that's not my objective of joining this forum. So for me
>> and you - Carry on with the studies and be a genuine expert some day .
>>
>> I hope this can be the end of the discussion unless you have other plans
>> ;-)
>>
>> Ravi
>>
>> On Tue, Mar 24, 2009 at 9:20 PM, Haroon <itguy.pro@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > Ravi,
>> >
>> > I don't know some of the sellers, since you know and you have checked,
>> why
>> > don't you tell us where they are based? India? China? Russia? Pakistan?
>> > Middle East? The seller can be in a cave with bin Laden, it does not
>> matter
>> > but the fact of the matter is that someone supplied the sellers with
>> > questions and it is more than likely that the questions came from places
>> > where corruption is rampant, cheating is the easy way to do things,
>> > everybody has a price and respect for rule of law is almost zero.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > On Tue, Mar 24, 2009 at 5:00 PM, Ravi Singh <way2ccie@googlemail.com>
>> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> @itguypro
>> >> And what's the way of life elsewhere ?? The topic is fiery and I don't
>> >> wish to start a debate but your way of generalization doesn't sound
>> >> good. If you know of some sellers of these dumps, which I am sure you
>> >> do , go and checkout where some of them are based at and you might be
>> >> in for a surprise. If someone wants to cheat, he will , does not
>> >> matter if he lives in Asia , America or Australia.
>> >>
>> >> My point - Do not point fingers at others .. Its your number and your
>> >> choice how to obtain it...No one is forcing you to buy the dumps..
>> >>
>> >> Ravi
>> >>
>> >> On Tue, Mar 24, 2009 at 7:55 PM, <itguy.pro@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> > Cisco's ASIAN mgmt... Someone is leaking the questions and more than
>> >> > likely its from the asian centers, countries where cheating is a way
>> of
>> >> > life.
>> >> > Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile
>> >> >
>> >> > -----Original Message-----
>> >> > From: Salah ElShekeil <salah.elshekeil@gmail.com>
>> >> >
>> >> > Date: Tue, 24 Mar 2009 22:46:01
>> >> > To: <itguy.pro@gmail.com>
>> >> > Cc: Andy Hogard<andyhogard@gmail.com>; <ccielab@groupstudy.com>
>> >> > Subject: Re: OT:Dumps are already out for open-ended questions!!
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > they are a Cisco branch s what it the different between an Asian and
>> >> > non
>> >> > Asian, all of them under Cisco management!!!!
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > On Tue, Mar 24, 2009 at 10:42 PM, <itguy.pro@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> >> Cisco should shut down its asian testing centers...imo.
>> >> >> Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile
>> >> >>
>> >> >> -----Original Message-----
>> >> >> From: Salah ElShekeil <salah.elshekeil@gmail.com>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Date: Tue, 24 Mar 2009 22:33:12
>> >> >> To: Andy Hogard<andyhogard@gmail.com>
>> >> >> Cc: <ccielab@groupstudy.com>
>> >> >> Subject: Re: OT:Dumps are already out for open-ended questions!!
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Definitely there is someone in Cisco selling the questions!!!!!
>> >> >>
>> >> >> They must find him, not just adding extra headache on the
>> candidates,
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> On Tue, Mar 24, 2009 at 10:09 PM, Andy Hogard <andyhogard@gmail.com
>> >
>> >> >> wrote:
>> >> >>
>> >> >> > Yeah,
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > Its hard to believe but then I just came across some dumps for the
>> >> >> > newly
>> >> >> > introduced open ended questions!! It really makes me think twice,
>> >> >> > about
>> >> >> the
>> >> >> > integrity left and what cisco is trying to achieve for now might
>> seem
>> >> >> > to
>> >> >> be
>> >> >> > a holly grail. Not only this, the dump site is also making tall
>> >> >> > claims of
>> >> >> > updating the questions on a weekly basis. So point being amongst
>> the
>> >> >> > 10
>> >> >> > centers we have, there seems to be a compromised location ..eh?!
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > I am pretty astounded over the developments. So whats the whole
>> point
>> >> >> > of
>> >> >> > having the new, open ended question format.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > :'(
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > Regards,
>> >> >> > Andy H.
>> >> >> >
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