From: Persio Pucci (persio@gmail.com)
Date: Tue Mar 24 2009 - 11:18:06 ART
Can't argue that 15k is a lot of money... but it sure is effective. It
will not, however, get a newbie and enable him to pass the CCIE lab.
It will only be useful if you are at the level of the lab, or close to
it... And sure it will do to you a lot more than just helping you pass
the lab, you will gain knowledge that you will carry with you after
that.
I remember seeing people failing the lab 5, 6 times... I have a friend
that is going to his 6th CCIE voice attempt. He is an experienced guy,
he works with voice since forever... I bet if he had a training like
this he would pass in one or two attempts. I think it is a lot less
frustrating than trying it 10 times before you pass...
And besides that, let's suppose your company is paying for it, what
would you choose?
On Tue, Mar 24, 2009 at 4:06 AM, Roy Waterman <roy.waterman@gmail.com> wrote:
> Bear in mind this is 15k for what..ONE CCIE training program?
>
> What happens when/if you decide to go for another ccie?
>
> In my opinion no training program for ONE ccie is worth 15k.
> Unless you have money to throw away, I would personally go for one of the
> favoured lot-less-costly methods :).
>
>
>
> On Tue, Mar 24, 2009 at 6:44 AM, Andy Hogard <andyhogard@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> 15k USD, is such an overkill ..perhaps its the air conditioning 6 months
>> bill money that they make you pay for. ;)
>>
>> I can have a voice and security rack both setup with that much money!!
>> Sheesh!
>>
>> On Tue, Mar 24, 2009 at 6:21 AM, Tony Schaffran (GS) <
>> groupstudy@cconlinelabs.com> wrote:
>>
>> > $15,000?????? Do you get to keep the equipment?
>> >
>> >
>> > Tony Schaffran
>> > Sr. Network Consultant
>> > CCIE #11071
>> > CCNP, CCNA, CCDA,
>> > NNCDS, NNCSS, CNE, MCSE
>> >
>> > www.cconlinelabs.com
>> > Your #1 choice for online Cisco rack rentals.
>> >
>> >
>> > -----Original Message-----
>> > From: Pamela Pinero [mailto:pampinero@gmail.com]
>> > Sent: Monday, March 23, 2009 4:42 PM
>> > To: 'Persio Pucci'; groupstudy@cconlinelabs.com
>> > Cc: 'Cisco certification'
>> > Subject: RE: Cisco 360 program
>> >
>> > Thank you Persio. The 360 program is going to cost $15,000 so I wanted
>> > to
>> > make sure it was worth my time and money. I am still considering all
>> > options
>> > at this time. Vendors and other people are welcome to email me off list
>> > with
>> > suggestions and quotes!
>> >
>> > -----Original Message-----
>> > From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
>> > Persio Pucci
>> > Sent: Saturday, March 21, 2009 7:01 AM
>> > To: groupstudy@cconlinelabs.com
>> > Cc: Cisco certification
>> > Subject: Re: Cisco 360 program
>> >
>> > I'd say neither one. The program definitely does not teach the lab,
>> > rather it teaches you to see through the lab questions. And the lab is
>> > not easy. From the team that had the 360 bootcamps with me, we all
>> > have 10+ years of experience with networking. I'd say that the
>> > workbook labs are at the same level or harder than the real lab, so if
>> > you practice 20+ workbook labs that are harder than the real thing
>> > (and by practice I mean try, fail, understand what you did wrong) you
>> > stand a better chance at passing it on first try.
>> >
>> > On Sat, Mar 21, 2009 at 12:23 AM, Tony Schaffran (GS)
>> > <groupstudy@cconlinelabs.com> wrote:
>> > > If everybody passes on their first attempt, then what is the good of
>> > > the
>> > > cert?
>> > >
>> > > Either the 360 program is teaching the test or the lab has gotten too
>> > easy.
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > -----Original Message-----
>> > > From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf
>> > > Of
>> > > Persio Pucci
>> > > Sent: Friday, March 20, 2009 5:48 PM
>> > > To: Larry Hadrava
>> > > Cc: ccielab@groupstudy.com
>> > > Subject: Re: Cisco 360 program
>> > >
>> > > Hey Larry,
>> > >
>> > > First time I joined the Groupstudy forum I remember they were right on
>> > > the 12000... And for my first attempt, it still had ISDN (mine never
>> > > went up/up, go figure) ATM (and they wanted an SVC for a dial test)
>> > > and Dial itself on the lab... This time it was much easier... but the
>> > > fact that I knew the monster already kind of helped too.
>> > >
>> > > As for the 360, from the 6 guys I had on my class (it was delivered
>> > > in-company), 4 passed on first try (including myself), one failed and
>> > > one still did not take the lab.
>> > >
>> > > On Fri, Mar 20, 2009 at 9:21 PM, Larry Hadrava <lhadrava@ipexpert.com>
>> > > wrote:
>> > >> Persio:
>> > >> Wow - great feedback. So you took the lab back when I did when we
>> > >> still
>> > > had
>> > >> to deal with ISDN and the like. Glad to see that you decided to give
>> > >> it
>> > >> another shot after so many years.
>> > >> Congratulations!!!
>> > >> Larry Hadrava
>> > >> CCIE #12203 CCNP CCNA
>> > >> Sr. Support Engineer IPexpert, Inc.
>> > >> URL: http://www.IPexpert.com
>> > >>
>> > >>
>> > >> On Fri, Mar 20, 2009 at 4:34 PM, <persio@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > >>>
>> > >>> Hi Pamela,
>> > >>>
>> > >>> I've used the 360 program for my CCIE R&S lab and all I can say is
>> > >>> it
>> > was
>> > >>> awesome. I used NMC for the 360, and all I can say is their
>> > >>> material
>> > is
>> > >>> fantastic. The workbooks, the lab scenarios, they are all really up
>> > >>> to
>> > > the
>> > >>> challenge. Their graded lab system is the state of the art on
>> > >>> regards
>> > to
>> > >>> lab
>> > >>> preparation.
>> > >>>
>> > >>> Their philosophy on making you understand the lab rather than
>> > >>> teaching
>> > > you
>> > >>> how
>> > >>> to pass it is fantastic. It was almost an overkill to the lab I had.
>> > >>>
>> > >>> Technically it was my second lab attempt, but since my first attempt
>> > was
>> > > 6
>> > >>> years ago, I consider it a first-attempt pass.
>> > >>>
>> > >>> Regards,
>> > >>>
>> > >>> Persio Pucci
>> > >>> CCIE# 22112 - R&S
>> > >>>
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