From: Jared Scrivener (jscrivener@ipexpert.com)
Date: Wed Mar 18 2009 - 15:46:33 ART
Hey Peter,
Right now it is only for R&S.
Cheers,
Jared Scrivener CCIE3 #16983 (R&S, Security, SP), CISSP
Technical Instructor - IPexpert, Inc.
Telephone: +1.810.326.1444
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-----Original Message-----
From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
Peter Svidler
Sent: Wednesday, 18 March 2009 2:43 PM
To: M Lab; Thameem Maranveetil Parambath
Cc: Anthony Sequeira; ccie forum; nobody@groupstudy.com; Anthony Driver;
Richard Humphries; Pavel Bykov
Subject: Re: Failing from oral part of lab exam
Folks ,
is this new format apply only on R/S or other tracks as well ?
--- On Tue, 3/17/09, Thameem Maranveetil Parambath
<tparamba@thecontactcentre.ae> wrote:
From: Thameem Maranveetil Parambath <tparamba@thecontactcentre.ae>
Subject: Re: Failing from oral part of lab exam
To: "M Lab" <mlabccie@gmail.com>
Cc: "Anthony Sequeira" <asequeira@internetworkexpert.com>, "ccie forum"
<ccielab@groupstudy.com>, nobody@groupstudy.com, "Anthony Driver"
<nthndriver6@gmail.com>, "Richard Humphries" <Richardh@aos5.com>, "Pavel
Bykov" <slidersv@gmail.com>
Date: Tuesday, March 17, 2009, 11:07 PM
Its sad Richard, that they failed you because of short answer..what i
heard from one valid source was that you only need to give a brief
description.. not an ESSAY... May be the proctor has asked you more about
it during the Lunch and couldnt be convinced on your answer!
Regards,
M Lab <mlabccie@gmail.com>
Sent by: nobody@groupstudy.com
18/03/2009 06:38 AM
Please respond to
M Lab <mlabccie@gmail.com>
To
Richard Humphries <Richardh@aos5.com>
cc
Anthony Sequeira <asequeira@internetworkexpert.com>, Pavel Bykov
<slidersv@gmail.com>, Anthony Driver <nthndriver6@gmail.com>, ccie
forum
<ccielab@groupstudy.com>
Subject
Re: Failing from oral part of lab exam
Richard,
Did they even provide the link to request a re-read on the web page with
your results? I was under the impression that a re-read was not even an
option for a candidate unless your score was close. Were you in the
passing
range for the actual configuration portion of your lab?
I'm worried that the R&S track is becoming a little ridiculous with the
scripted grading and the OEQ's. I heard once from a very good source that
Cisco implemented the OEQ's to thwart individuals who were just learning
to
take the exam rather than to learn and know the technology. Not
necessarily
just due to what has been rumoured as cheating. I found that to be a
little
irritating because I have to think that they (cisco) themselves are at
fault
for that happening. That's not to say that there aren't very capable
candidates who are passing and getting their numbers. I know a few who
have
passed recently that I think more than deserved the passing score.
Just something that's been in my mind, maybe not a valid point at all. I
definately sympathize with your situation. Hopefully I don't get slammed
for
those comments!
On Tue, Mar 17, 2009 at 8:06 PM, Richard Humphries
<Richardh@aos5.com>wrote:
> Yep, I failed mine. The proctor at lunch explained the short answers and
> said that we should not only answer the question but to explain it in as
> much detail as possible including possibly how we came up with the
answer
>
> I opened a case with Cert Support asking if I paid for a re-read if they
> would grade the short answers as stated (answered in 4-5 words) or if it
> will be graded like the proctor mentioned at lunch.
>
> Here is his response, notice he states that the Short Answers can NOT be
> regarded. I just emailed him back asking him to clarify as their
website
> says it does get regarded.
>
> From: Kathe Saccenti (ksaccent) [mailto:ksaccent@cisco.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2009 6:52 PM
> To: Richard Humphries
> Subject: FW: CCIE Lab Score Report - #090313-000100
>
>
>
> Richard,
>
> As manager of CCIE lab operations, your case was forwarded to me.
>
> It is our primary intention that a candidate should not have to spend a
> great deal of time answering these questions. The questions are
designed so
> that you should be able to answer them in a few words. However, the
> operative word there is should. As these questions are open-ended they
are
> subject to a candidate's interpretation. Therefore, you are
definitely
not
> penalized if your answer is longer or shorter, as long as you do answer
the
> question asked.
>
> The reason why we state that most answers should be brief is to keep
> candidates from wasting too much time writing a long paragraphs when a
> single sentence will serve just as well. Whether you gave a long
answer, or
> you were able to provide the appropriate and complete answer in 5 or 6
words
> should not make any difference. The grading proctor is purely going to
look
> for the correct answer. I don't know if I agree with you should
provide
as
> much detail as possible without adding that as long as your detail is
> required in your opinion to answer the question correctly.
>
>
>
> If you request a reread on your exam, the core fundamentals section is
not
> regraded. We do not provide a reread service for these questions.
> Therefore a grading proctor will not be able to review that portion of
your
> exam at all.
>
>
>
> regards,
> Kathe
>
>
>
> Richard Humphries
> AOS - Systems Consultant
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
> Anthony Sequeira
> Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2009 7:09 PM
> To: Pavel Bykov
> Cc: Anthony Driver; ccie forum
> Subject: Re: Failing from oral part of lab exam
>
> Hi Pavel!
>
> I was told by Cisco that students can miss one regardless of 4 or 5.
>
> I think you may indeed be correct about a potential 5th question that
> does not count. Interesting.
>
> Anthony J. Sequeira, CCIE #15626, CCSI #23251
> Senior CCIE Instructor
>
> asequeira@internetworkexpert.com
>
> Internetwork Expert, Inc.
> http://www.InternetworkExpert.com
<http://www.internetworkexpert.com/>
> Toll Free: 877-224-8987
> Outside US: 775-826-4344
>
> On Mar 17, 2009, at 7:45 PM, Pavel Bykov wrote:
>
> > Hello Anthony.
> > Just a note when I saw "You will receive 4 questions via the
> > computer and
> > you must..." I immediately thought that you can either get 4 or
5.
> > But then
> > you mention that later on.
> >
> > Also, I heard that you can miss one, but only when you get 5
> > questions, not
> > 4. And that 5th question is a "beta question" like we are
used to from
> > theoretical exams when new content is being tested.
> > Not sure how much of that are rumors/true.
> >
> >
> > On Wed, Mar 18, 2009 at 12:08 AM, Anthony Sequeira <
> > asequeira@internetworkexpert.com> wrote:
> >
> >> Yes - people are indeed failing due to the new Core Knowledge
section
> >> of the exam.
> >>
> >> It is an open-ended question written section consisting of four
> >> questions. You must answer at least three correctly.
> >>
> >> Here are some more facts:
> >>
> >> 7 You must complete this portion of the exam before you
start
> >> the
> >> traditional configuration portion.
> >>
> >> 7 You have a total of 30 minutes to complete this section,
you
> >> may finish early if you like and immediately begin your
configuration
> >> section.
> >>
> >> 7 You will receive 4 questions via the computer and you must
> >> provide short answers using the computer interface. The questions
are
> >> not oral in nature. Typical responses require 4 to 5 words at
most.
> >>
> >> 7 Spelling and/or grammar does not count against you.
> >>
> >> 7 The questions are manually graded by a proctor. If you
> >> purchase
> >> an exam re-read, they will re-grade your question responses.
> >>
> >> 7 You may not return to the short answer questions once you
have
> >> begun the configuration portion of the lab exam.
> >>
> >> 7 You will not receive a score when you complete this
section,
> >> but you must pass this portion to pass the CCIE. You will receive
> >> your
> >> score in the open-ended section if you fail the exam. The score
is
> >> reported as 0% or 100% (pass or fail). You may only miss one
question
> >> in the section in order to pass.
> >>
> >> 7 Most students finish the 4 to 5 questions in approximately
12
> >> minutes.
> >>
> >> 7 The configuration portion of the exam has been reduced to
> >> accommodate this initial 30 minutes.
> >>
> >> 7 You still have a total of 8 hours that makeup the
open-ended
> >> questions and the configuration portion.
> >>
> >> 7 You may not access the DOC-CD to answer these questions.
> >>
> >>
> >> Anthony J. Sequeira, CCIE #15626, CCSI #23251
> >> Senior CCIE Instructor
> >>
> >> asequeira@internetworkexpert.com
> >>
> >> Internetwork Expert, Inc.
> >> http://www.InternetworkExpert.com
<http://www.internetworkexpert.com/
>
> >> Toll Free: 877-224-8987
> >> Outside US: 775-826-4344
> >>
> >> On Mar 17, 2009, at 5:34 PM, Anthony Driver wrote:
> >>
> >>> I have heard that some people have been failing because of
the oral
> >>> part of
> >>> the lab exam. Is this true?
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Blogs and organic groups at http://www.ccie.net
> >>>
> >>>
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