From: lhall (lhall@setnine.com)
Date: Wed Mar 18 2009 - 00:21:48 ART
If you fail the core knowledge they don't consider you close enough and
you are not qualified for a re-grade, even if you get > 90% on
everything else.
M Lab wrote:
> Richard,
>
> Did they even provide the link to request a re-read on the web page with
> your results? I was under the impression that a re-read was not even an
> option for a candidate unless your score was close. Were you in the passing
> range for the actual configuration portion of your lab?
>
> I'm worried that the R&S track is becoming a little ridiculous with the
> scripted grading and the OEQ's. I heard once from a very good source that
> Cisco implemented the OEQ's to thwart individuals who were just learning to
> take the exam rather than to learn and know the technology. Not necessarily
> just due to what has been rumoured as cheating. I found that to be a little
> irritating because I have to think that they (cisco) themselves are at fault
> for that happening. That's not to say that there aren't very capable
> candidates who are passing and getting their numbers. I know a few who have
> passed recently that I think more than deserved the passing score.
>
> Just something that's been in my mind, maybe not a valid point at all. I
> definately sympathize with your situation. Hopefully I don't get slammed for
> those comments!
>
>
> On Tue, Mar 17, 2009 at 8:06 PM, Richard Humphries <Richardh@aos5.com>wrote:
>
>> Yep, I failed mine. The proctor at lunch explained the short answers and
>> said that we should not only answer the question but to explain it in as
>> much detail as possible including possibly how we came up with the answer
>>
>> I opened a case with Cert Support asking if I paid for a re-read if they
>> would grade the short answers as stated (answered in 4-5 words) or if it
>> will be graded like the proctor mentioned at lunch.
>>
>> Here is his response, notice he states that the Short Answers can NOT be
>> regarded. I just emailed him back asking him to clarify as their website
>> says it does get regarded.
>>
>> From: Kathe Saccenti (ksaccent) [mailto:ksaccent@cisco.com]
>> Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2009 6:52 PM
>> To: Richard Humphries
>> Subject: FW: CCIE Lab Score Report - #090313-000100
>>
>>
>>
>> Richard,
>>
>> As manager of CCIE lab operations, your case was forwarded to me.
>>
>> It is our primary intention that a candidate should not have to spend a
>> great deal of time answering these questions. The questions are designed so
>> that you should be able to answer them in a few words. However, the
>> operative word there is should. As these questions are open-ended they are
>> subject to a candidate's interpretation. Therefore, you are definitely not
>> penalized if your answer is longer or shorter, as long as you do answer the
>> question asked.
>>
>> The reason why we state that most answers should be brief is to keep
>> candidates from wasting too much time writing a long paragraphs when a
>> single sentence will serve just as well. Whether you gave a long answer, or
>> you were able to provide the appropriate and complete answer in 5 or 6 words
>> should not make any difference. The grading proctor is purely going to look
>> for the correct answer. I don't know if I agree with you should provide as
>> much detail as possible without adding that as long as your detail is
>> required in your opinion to answer the question correctly.
>>
>>
>>
>> If you request a reread on your exam, the core fundamentals section is not
>> regraded. We do not provide a reread service for these questions.
>> Therefore a grading proctor will not be able to review that portion of your
>> exam at all.
>>
>>
>>
>> regards,
>> Kathe
>>
>>
>>
>> Richard Humphries
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>> Anthony Sequeira
>> Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2009 7:09 PM
>> To: Pavel Bykov
>> Cc: Anthony Driver; ccie forum
>> Subject: Re: Failing from oral part of lab exam
>>
>> Hi Pavel!
>>
>> I was told by Cisco that students can miss one regardless of 4 or 5.
>>
>> I think you may indeed be correct about a potential 5th question that
>> does not count. Interesting.
>>
>> Anthony J. Sequeira, CCIE #15626, CCSI #23251
>> Senior CCIE Instructor
>>
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>> On Mar 17, 2009, at 7:45 PM, Pavel Bykov wrote:
>>
>>> Hello Anthony.
>>> Just a note when I saw "You will receive 4 questions via the
>>> computer and
>>> you must..." I immediately thought that you can either get 4 or 5.
>>> But then
>>> you mention that later on.
>>>
>>> Also, I heard that you can miss one, but only when you get 5
>>> questions, not
>>> 4. And that 5th question is a "beta question" like we are used to from
>>> theoretical exams when new content is being tested.
>>> Not sure how much of that are rumors/true.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Mar 18, 2009 at 12:08 AM, Anthony Sequeira <
>>> asequeira@internetworkexpert.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Yes - people are indeed failing due to the new Core Knowledge section
>>>> of the exam.
>>>>
>>>> It is an open-ended question written section consisting of four
>>>> questions. You must answer at least three correctly.
>>>>
>>>> Here are some more facts:
>>>>
>>>> 7 You must complete this portion of the exam before you start
>>>> the
>>>> traditional configuration portion.
>>>>
>>>> 7 You have a total of 30 minutes to complete this section, you
>>>> may finish early if you like and immediately begin your configuration
>>>> section.
>>>>
>>>> 7 You will receive 4 questions via the computer and you must
>>>> provide short answers using the computer interface. The questions are
>>>> not oral in nature. Typical responses require 4 to 5 words at most.
>>>>
>>>> 7 Spelling and/or grammar does not count against you.
>>>>
>>>> 7 The questions are manually graded by a proctor. If you
>>>> purchase
>>>> an exam re-read, they will re-grade your question responses.
>>>>
>>>> 7 You may not return to the short answer questions once you have
>>>> begun the configuration portion of the lab exam.
>>>>
>>>> 7 You will not receive a score when you complete this section,
>>>> but you must pass this portion to pass the CCIE. You will receive
>>>> your
>>>> score in the open-ended section if you fail the exam. The score is
>>>> reported as 0% or 100% (pass or fail). You may only miss one question
>>>> in the section in order to pass.
>>>>
>>>> 7 Most students finish the 4 to 5 questions in approximately 12
>>>> minutes.
>>>>
>>>> 7 The configuration portion of the exam has been reduced to
>>>> accommodate this initial 30 minutes.
>>>>
>>>> 7 You still have a total of 8 hours that makeup the open-ended
>>>> questions and the configuration portion.
>>>>
>>>> 7 You may not access the DOC-CD to answer these questions.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Anthony J. Sequeira, CCIE #15626, CCSI #23251
>>>> Senior CCIE Instructor
>>>>
>>>> asequeira@internetworkexpert.com
>>>>
>>>> Internetwork Expert, Inc.
>>>> http://www.InternetworkExpert.com <http://www.internetworkexpert.com/>
>>>> Toll Free: 877-224-8987
>>>> Outside US: 775-826-4344
>>>>
>>>> On Mar 17, 2009, at 5:34 PM, Anthony Driver wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I have heard that some people have been failing because of the oral
>>>>> part of
>>>>> the lab exam. Is this true?
>>>>>
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