From: Richard Humphries (Richardh@aos5.com)
Date: Tue Mar 17 2009 - 23:06:18 ART
Yep, I failed mine. The proctor at lunch explained the short answers and said that we should not only answer the question but to explain it in as much detail as possible including possibly how we came up with the answer
I opened a case with Cert Support asking if I paid for a re-read if they would grade the short answers as stated (answered in 4-5 words) or if it will be graded like the proctor mentioned at lunch.
Here is his response, notice he states that the Short Answers can NOT be regarded. I just emailed him back asking him to clarify as their website says it does get regarded.
From: Kathe Saccenti (ksaccent) [mailto:ksaccent@cisco.com]
Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2009 6:52 PM
To: Richard Humphries
Subject: FW: CCIE Lab Score Report - #090313-000100
Richard,
As manager of CCIE lab operations, your case was forwarded to me.
It is our primary intention that a candidate should not have to spend a great deal of time answering these questions. The questions are designed so that you should be able to answer them in a few words. However, the operative word there is should. As these questions are open-ended they are subject to a candidate's interpretation. Therefore, you are definitely not penalized if your answer is longer or shorter, as long as you do answer the question asked.
The reason why we state that most answers should be brief is to keep candidates from wasting too much time writing a long paragraphs when a single sentence will serve just as well. Whether you gave a long answer, or you were able to provide the appropriate and complete answer in 5 or 6 words should not make any difference. The grading proctor is purely going to look for the correct answer. I don't know if I agree with you should provide as much detail as possible without adding that as long as your detail is required in your opinion to answer the question correctly.
If you request a reread on your exam, the core fundamentals section is not regraded. We do not provide a reread service for these questions. Therefore a grading proctor will not be able to review that portion of your exam at all.
regards,
Kathe
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From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of Anthony Sequeira
Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2009 7:09 PM
To: Pavel Bykov
Cc: Anthony Driver; ccie forum
Subject: Re: Failing from oral part of lab exam
Hi Pavel!
I was told by Cisco that students can miss one regardless of 4 or 5.
I think you may indeed be correct about a potential 5th question that
does not count. Interesting.
Anthony J. Sequeira, CCIE #15626, CCSI #23251
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On Mar 17, 2009, at 7:45 PM, Pavel Bykov wrote:
> Hello Anthony.
> Just a note when I saw "You will receive 4 questions via the
> computer and
> you must..." I immediately thought that you can either get 4 or 5.
> But then
> you mention that later on.
>
> Also, I heard that you can miss one, but only when you get 5
> questions, not
> 4. And that 5th question is a "beta question" like we are used to from
> theoretical exams when new content is being tested.
> Not sure how much of that are rumors/true.
>
>
> On Wed, Mar 18, 2009 at 12:08 AM, Anthony Sequeira <
> asequeira@internetworkexpert.com> wrote:
>
>> Yes - people are indeed failing due to the new Core Knowledge section
>> of the exam.
>>
>> It is an open-ended question written section consisting of four
>> questions. You must answer at least three correctly.
>>
>> Here are some more facts:
>>
>> 7 You must complete this portion of the exam before you start
>> the
>> traditional configuration portion.
>>
>> 7 You have a total of 30 minutes to complete this section, you
>> may finish early if you like and immediately begin your configuration
>> section.
>>
>> 7 You will receive 4 questions via the computer and you must
>> provide short answers using the computer interface. The questions are
>> not oral in nature. Typical responses require 4 to 5 words at most.
>>
>> 7 Spelling and/or grammar does not count against you.
>>
>> 7 The questions are manually graded by a proctor. If you
>> purchase
>> an exam re-read, they will re-grade your question responses.
>>
>> 7 You may not return to the short answer questions once you have
>> begun the configuration portion of the lab exam.
>>
>> 7 You will not receive a score when you complete this section,
>> but you must pass this portion to pass the CCIE. You will receive
>> your
>> score in the open-ended section if you fail the exam. The score is
>> reported as 0% or 100% (pass or fail). You may only miss one question
>> in the section in order to pass.
>>
>> 7 Most students finish the 4 to 5 questions in approximately 12
>> minutes.
>>
>> 7 The configuration portion of the exam has been reduced to
>> accommodate this initial 30 minutes.
>>
>> 7 You still have a total of 8 hours that makeup the open-ended
>> questions and the configuration portion.
>>
>> 7 You may not access the DOC-CD to answer these questions.
>>
>>
>> Anthony J. Sequeira, CCIE #15626, CCSI #23251
>> Senior CCIE Instructor
>>
>> asequeira@internetworkexpert.com
>>
>> Internetwork Expert, Inc.
>> http://www.InternetworkExpert.com
>> Toll Free: 877-224-8987
>> Outside US: 775-826-4344
>>
>> On Mar 17, 2009, at 5:34 PM, Anthony Driver wrote:
>>
>>> I have heard that some people have been failing because of the oral
>>> part of
>>> the lab exam. Is this true?
>>>
>>>
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