From: Darby Weaver (ccie.weaver@gmail.com)
Date: Sun Feb 15 2009 - 17:39:23 ARST
Well I'm not sure Cisco is going to tell us exactly how things breakdown and
many candidates have always blamed the mysterious:
Examples include:
"I failed on ATM"
"I failed on ISDN"
"I failed because I called the proctor's girlfriend and used her name in my
route maps"
The list goes on and on...
Now people will claim they got tanked over these open-ended questions -
which by all accounts thus far aren't remarkably hard but are fundamental
and core to uderstanding the technologies.
Some have been called outright simple.
Of course those trying to simply skirt the lab will never be happy unless
they get their digits for just signing up, scheduling the fee, and showing
up to take the lab.
For all we know both side are worth 100 points and if one cannot pass the
"minimum" then one fails the portion that fails a candidate. Might as well
be 21 points. Even if it is not.
Now read my words carefully:
Once the number of people registering to take the lab dwindles and new
CCIE's become sparse... then the policy will "change" a little.
The big question is if/when Cisco is going to introduce Open-Ended Questions
to the other tracks.
My thoughts were as early as April 2009.
And kill all hopes of the brain dumping factories.
On Sun, Feb 15, 2009 at 2:22 PM, Tien <tientien.wang@gmail.com> wrote:
> 21 points, :) I consider this is a bonus for whose who actually study hard
> and know their stuffs.
> good job cisco.
>
> On Sun, Feb 15, 2009 at 8:51 AM, Scott M Vermillion <
> scott_ccie_list@it-ag.com> wrote:
>
>> At least they're being consistent! CCIE lab grading has always been "all
>> or
>> nothing." Precisely why we're not approaching the 250,000th number.
>> While
>> I do shudder at the thought of failing the SP lab before my first cup of
>> coffee is down, it is pretty cool to think I could bag 21 points in under
>> 30
>> minutes. I don't care how well you know your stuff, that isn't something
>> you can accomplish on the CLI. So then you've got 7.5 hrs to come up with
>> just 59 more points. Interesting...
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
>> Darby Weaver
>> Sent: Saturday, February 14, 2009 11:53 PM
>> To: Cisco certification
>> Subject: Open-Ended Lab Questions - All or Nothing?
>>
>> Taken from CCIEPursuit's Blog
>> =================================================
>>
>> Open-Ended Question Grading: All or Nothing
>> Filed under: Cisco, Cisco Certification cciepursuit @ 3:28 pm
>> Tags: CCIE, CCIE Lab, Certification, Cisco, Cisco Certification
>>
>> In a discussion on the Cisco Networking Professionals Connection a
>> candidate
>> recently failed his lab. He received a 0% grade on the new "open-ended
>> question" portion of the lab even though he was sure that he got at least
>> 2
>> of the 4 questions correct. If he got two of the four questions correct
>> then
>> he should have received a 50% mark in that category, right? Well, it turns
>> out that this is NOT the case:
>>
>> Replied by: lohaver - Marketing Programs Manager, CISCO SYSTEMS - Feb 10,
>> 2009, 4:30pm PST
>>
>> Hello Nuno,
>>
>> I work on the CCIE team. The short answer section is graded on an "all or
>> nothing" basis. If you answer the minimum number correct you will get
>> 100%.
>> If you don't achieve the minimum, your score shows as 0%. It is indeed
>> possible that you answered two questions correctly.
>>
>> Lora O'Haver
>> Learning @Cisco
>>
>> What the [censored]??? Honestly, WHAT THE [censored]?!?!? What is the
>> "minimum number correct"? I would have to assume that in this case it's
>> three. Lora states that he could have correctly answered two and still not
>> passed the section. If it were four then she would (well, 'should') have
>> said that you need to answer all of the questions correctly. This "minimum
>> number" gets more interesting in that some candidates have received 4
>> questions while others have received 5 questions.
>>
>> This gets even more interesting. From the responses on this thread it
>> looks
>> like the questions are worth a total of 21 points and the remainder of the
>> lab is worth 79 points. That means that you need to pass the question
>> portion of the lab in order to pass the entire lab as the passing grade is
>> 80 points and the most that you can score on the lab portion is 79 points.
>>
>> I've fully supported the addition of the questions to the lab, but this
>> new
>> scoring "revelation" pisses me off. IF the questions are worth 21 points
>> towards your total score and they are graded on an "all or nothing" method
>> based on meeting some undisclosed "minimum number of correct responses"
>> then
>> this is more than just a minor addition to the lab and Cisco really owes
>> it
>> to the candidates forking over $1400 to explain this better. This "all or
>> nothing" scoring is especially important for candidates to be aware of
>> because if they aren't aware of it, then they may be likely to request a
>> reread of their exam. If you get a 0% on a section that you are sure that
>> you had at least half of the questions correct, then you're most likely
>> going to assume that the lab was graded incorrectly and request a reread
>> ($250).
>>
>>
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