From: Darby Weaver (ccie.weaver@gmail.com)
Date: Thu Jan 29 2009 - 00:40:43 ARST
I've had very good experiences from both vendors. I've had a few
discrepancies with IE over a long history as a client (I think I'm like
client number 48 or something) but they've handled each issue well and done
so very professionally and to my favor whenever I have let them known there
was a problem or concern. So... I bought my first kit from them in what
like in December or 2003 or December 2003 - I forget but I ran into the
original packing slip while cleaning my garage out this past weekend.
No business is going to be perfect 100% of the time. Anyone married and
never (ever) had a disagreement or even mild misunderstanding with their
spouse? Or have siblings and never have issues?
Look it's not whether or not a company has issues all the time. It's how
they communicate and work to resolve those issues.
The communications and wordings we saw recently from Anthony are not typical
of the communications I've had with Kady Heaton and the Brian's themselves
and the other people assigned to my account over the years. These guys will
bend over backwards to make things right usually if they can.
I know Larryh had an issue where there was a misunderstanding/understanding
about whether or not he was actually writing materials for other vendors.
So IE was reported to have canceled his account and refunded him as a
result.
If Larryh was writing for other vendors as well as IE, then IE probably
wanted to protect their intellectual property rights. What business would
not? If they were wrong or mistaken the question is did they refund
Larryh? Yes or No? I'm not privy to the details but I think they did per a
vaguely remembered post from Larryh.
Now the other vendors like NLI or IPExpert etc. would know whether those
allegations were true or false. But they likely would not comment and
wisely so. I would not blame them either.
So the bottom line is I've had some issues with InternetworkExpert myself, I
have. And they worked through them time and again successfully and most
importantly to my favor. I think there is one thing outstanding but it was
personal thing and to be fair I did not take up the offer in a reasonable
period of time so if it is off the table I'd consider it my fault and not
theirs.
Lots of people love both companies and others and with very good reason.
Let's not throw the baby out with the bathwater and forget these are the
guys (all the vendors) who broke the CCIE Lab Blueprint down to bite-sized
chunks so us little ducklings could grow up to be Swans in the first place.
On 1/28/09, Brandon Carroll <brandon.j.carroll@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> There's no pissing contest. They are both good vendors. Every one will have
> their own experience and preference.
>
>
> Brandon
>
> On Jan 28, 2009, at 5:47 PM, Bobby <aggiebob98@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> Let the pissing contest begin!
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Jan 28, 2009, at 1:21 PM, Brandon Carroll <brandon.j.carroll@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> Personally I have both Internetwork Expert and IPexpert CCIE Security
>> Products. The are both good but IPexperts is more extensive when it comes
>> to Mock Labs. Internetwork Expert has more "mini labs" that are broken up
>> into a big book (Volume 1) with a ton of topologies. The different
>> topologies are frustrating as you may only take 5 minutes to configure 1
>> minilab and have to wipe it for the next minilabs topology.
>>
>> Internetwork Expert made an announcement that they were refreshing
>> material. So far they have focused on Routing and Switching while Security
>> has been neglected whereas IPexpert has actually started releasing labs for
>> the new blueprint.
>>
>> IPexpert is much more active in the online community, Facebook, Online
>> Study List, Twitter, and more, whereas Internetwork Expert is a little more
>> quiet in that arena. I have sent emails to Internetwork Expert only to
>> either wait a few days or to never get a reply. I have emailed IPexpert and
>> within a few minutes either had an email or a phone call from them.
>>
>> They are both good for the prep, but I have to say that IPexpert is MUCH
>> more attentive to their clients.
>>
>> You don't have to take my word for it though. However I'm sure you will
>> see a noticeable difference. If you go with both.
>>
>>
>> Brandon Carroll
>>
>>
>> On Jan 28, 2009, at 8:23 AM, testing testing123 wrote:
>>
>> so when who's security materials should i invest in ? who is known
>> for their security materials ? who does security the best ?
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf
>> Of Felix Nkansah
>> Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2009 9:22 AM
>> To: Ruhann
>> Cc: Terry Vinson; Cisco certification
>> Subject: Re: Bootcamps and Vendors
>>
>> Also, by saying "InternetworkExperts ... make great products", I
>> believe he was referring to their product offerings for the R&S track.
>> Their E2E package for R&S is a must-have for every candidate, if you
>> ask me.
>>
>> Sadly, it's difficult to say same about their workbooks for the
>> Security and SP tracks. I wish they could invest some more time making
>> those workbooks more student-friendly, like the R&S equivalent.
>>
>> Agreeably, the ROI on the workbooks for Security and SP wouldn't be as
>> high as they could expect when compared to R&S, but the quality of the
>> present offering still detracts from their good works and abilities.
>>
>> My 2 pesewas!
>>
>> Felix
>> r&s, security
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Jan 27, 2009 at 3:01 PM, Ruhann <groupstudy@ru.co.za> wrote:
>>
>> I think you meant to say "You can't go wrong with any of these guys!"
>>
>> On Sun, Jan 25, 2009 at 9:24 PM, Terry Vinson
>> <consultant@tnclimited.com
>> wrote:
>>
>> It's sad but I spent forever debating whether or not to respond to
>> the
>> post
>> about the boot camp question. Finally I did after someone else
>> mentioned Narbik I did. I'm a Internetworking End-to-End Self paced
>> customer.
>> There's been times I've had major difficulties with technologies
>> and
>> I've
>> gotten help from a number of people. Scott you really helped me a
>> few months ago when I was having issues with the mock labs. You
>> also told me
>> I
>> should get some one-on-one help. I decided to take a bootcamp:
>> location, timing and money indicated that Narbik's class in
>> Columbia, MD (5 hours
>> from
>> where I live was the best option). To be honest I camped out rather
>> than
>> get a hotel (to reduce costs). It was great! I learned alot that I
>> didn't
>> know and realized I didn't know much about some the stuff I thought
>> I
>> knew.
>>
>> It was interesting that two or three times during the course Narbik
>> mentioned other vendors. He said, "Internetworkexpert and Ipexpert
>> make great products, especially the labs." He mentioned later that,
>> "You can
>> go
>> wrong with any of these guys!"
>>
>>
>> Besides Narbik's not tall enough to be Obi-won! He's more like Yoda
>> "...do or do not. There is no try!"
>>
>> Terry
>>
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