From: Greg Wendel (gwendel@gmail.com)
Date: Mon Jan 26 2009 - 13:31:22 ARST
This would be a good question for Tom Larus the lawyer CCIE. Has anyone
seen him on the list lately?
On Mon, Jan 26, 2009 at 8:31 AM, Mike Manning <jmann12180@gmail.com> wrote:
> For your reading pleasure...
>
> Mens rea - As an element of criminal responsibility: a guilty mind; a
> guilty or wrongful purpose; criminal intent. Guilty knowledge and
> willfulness. United States v. Greenbaum
>
> Actus reus - The "guilty act". A wrongful deed which renders the actor
> criminally liable if combined with mens rea.
>
> Opens a can of worms....most folks know about P4S et el, and know what that
> their test questions are "really really really" close to the real deal.
> And
> we all know that cheating isn't right, right? And since some of those test
> questions are word for word..one has to wonder how they got
> them.....theft??? Hummmm.
>
> Time to shelve the old law books and get my routing book open.
>
> Mike
>
> On Sat, Jan 24, 2009 at 12:52 AM, Pavel Bykov <slidersv@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Well, normally the law states that not knowing does not excuse, in a
> sense
> > that if I hurt someone and then say that I didn't know it's illegal,
> well,
> > tough luck, I should have known that. I'll go to jail anyways.
> >
> > But in a real world it's something like:
> >
> > 1. A person searching for materials will get advice from cheating-aware
> > person to visit www.certguard.net before starting to use a vendor, to
> > check
> > if that vendor provides illegal materials.
> > or
> > 2. A person that has once used the materials, then went into the lab,
> read
> > the agreement and "signed it" by clicking submit (eh... no comment) and
> > then
> > took the test. During the test, he/she had extremely good mood, because
> all
> > of the quensions he/she already knows and they were answered with such an
> > extreme ease. Exam is finished in 20 minutes. But wait... what did the
> > agreement say? How come I had access to training materials? I didn't know
> > it
> > was illegal... damn.. No wonder that test was so easy and I'll forget 3/4
> > of
> > all that in a week. I better study for real next time, not to cheat and
> > break the agreement, buy Cisco Press books and use authorized vendors for
> > practice questions, like Boson.
> >
> >
> > On Fri, Jan 23, 2009 at 11:01 PM, Narbik Kocharians <narbikk@gmail.com
> > >wrote:
> >
> > > I did not see TK or P4S, lots of people study based on Boson, what is
> the
> > > difference between them, please do not think that i am recommending any
> > of
> > > these stupid tests.
> > > How would a person know which one is the real exam? if he/she has not
> > gone
> > > through them?
> > >
> > > Once again i am NOT recommending any of them.
> > >
> > > On Fri, Jan 23, 2009 at 1:32 PM, <joe_astorino@comcast.net> wrote:
> > >
> > > > When I was studying for my written exam, I was very impressed with
> the
> > > > product from Netmaster. They have online accessible practice engines
> > with
> > > > very good explanations. I found it very helpful. It was $99
> > > >
> > > > - Joe
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "Scott M Vermillion" <scott_ccie_list@it-ag.com>
> > > > To: "mihai grigore" <mihai.grigore@onlinehome.de>,
> > > ccielab@groupstudy.com
> > > > Sent: Friday, January 23, 2009 4:25:57 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada
> Eastern
> > > > Subject: RE: RE: Re-take the CCIE written exam
> > > >
> > > > Hi Again Mihai,
> > > >
> > > > I should have mentioned that v3.0 of the book comes with a Boson test
> > > > engine; you should not have to purchase any additional product from
> > > anyone.
> > > > IIRC, it includes something like 300 practice questions, which should
> > be
> > > > more than sufficient for you to gauge readiness.
> > > >
> > > > My final bit of advice would be to bear in mind time management,
> which
> > I
> > > > believe to be somewhat important in the written in addition to being
> > > > absolutely critical in the lab; I tend to want to ponder the finer
> > points
> > > > of
> > > > test questions, and this exam doesn't really allow for much of that.
> So
> > > > perhaps time yourself as you make use of the test engine.
> > > >
> > > > Regards,
> > > >
> > > > Scott
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf
> > Of
> > > > mihai.grigore@onlinehome.de
> > > > Sent: Friday, January 23, 2009 2:03 PM
> > > > To: ccielab@groupstudy.com
> > > > Subject: Re: RE: Re-take the CCIE written exam
> > > >
> > > > Scott,
> > > >
> > > > thank you for your reply, I will go for Odoms' book, besides, I will
> > use
> > > > Tony's
> > > > quick reference and do some Boson tests. For sure, I want to pass
> this
> > on
> > > > the
> > > > first attempt.
> > > >
> > > > But I am not going to use those dumps... I agree with you all, it is
> > > > definitely
> > > > not the way to go.
> > > >
> > > > Thanx all for your replies.
> > > > Mihai
> > > >
> > > >
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> > > >
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> > > --
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