From: Huan Pham (Huan.Pham@peopletelecom.com.au)
Date: Sun Jan 18 2009 - 21:28:54 ARST
Hey Scott,
Even if you want to have 4x6 version, can you put all 4 you have?
I can see there're 3 already made for you. If you want the 4th, you have
to photoshop it. There's no logo for Dial things, at least, I have not
seen it yet :-))
Cheers,
-----Original Message-----
From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
Scott Morris
Sent: Monday, 19 January 2009 9:50 AM
To: 'Scott M Vermillion'; 'Yandy Ramirez'; 'Andrew Larkins'
Cc: ccielab@groupstudy.com
Subject: RE: New CCIE logo
Brandicide... I like it...
The unfortunate part is that visually someone will recognize "Cisco
Certified" as the "brand" but will have zero respect for any distinction
therein.
I have no desire to upgrade to 4x6 business cards in order to handle the
multiple logos per track.
IMHO it's not broken, therefore I'm not changing it.
Scott
PS. Apparntly the new logos have ditched the idea of anything
representing the achievement of a 10-year CCIE. Perhaps they will
introduce a "wrinkled"
version? :)
-----Original Message-----
From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
Scott M Vermillion
Sent: Sunday, January 18, 2009 4:48 PM
To: 'Yandy Ramirez'; 'Andrew Larkins'
Cc: ccielab@groupstudy.com
Subject: RE: New CCIE logo
Actually, I agree with you to a degree, Yandy. Fully extend that
philosophy and the same can actually be said about certifications as a
whole, to an extent.
It just strikes me as more than a little wacky that Cisco has taken this
path, though. The original CCIE logo is one of the most recognizable in
the industry, if not >the< most recognizable. Would Mercedes be foolish
enough to abandon their globally recognizable logo? Would Polo punt to
a rodeo cowboy or a mule pulling a plow? Would Rolex roll to an alarm
clock icon?
Would the Olympics 86 their colorful rings? Of course not, because that
would be brandicide.
I'm not really big into vendor wear but I do have a collection of CCIE
shirts and a light jacket that I wear. Why? Because I'm an independent
consultant and it's very effective and affordable marketing at events,
conventions, etc. Also, it's a great conversation piece - CCIEs like to
chat with other CCIEs and CCIE candidates love to talk to CCIEs. I'm
all too happy to hash the pros and cons of home labs, vendor training
materials, etc with anybody who has an interest. Were I to wear this
new monstrosity around, from any distance at all, how would anybody
distinguish me from the CCENT standing next to me? So by diminishing
their own brand, Cisco by extension diminishes the brand of those of us
who have earned the cert. For some of us, that goes very directly to the
bottom line. Hence the seemingly hyper-sensitivity of some of us! Like
so many things, it can be distilled down to a matter of dollars and
cents.
It also just seems to be lacking from a practicality perspective, BTW.
Were I to add SP to my collection of certs, which logo would I chose?
LOL, maybe we'll go the biker route and wear leather vests covered in
"ride patches."
I can put SP right next to my Sturgis 2009 patch (not that I was
actually there or have such a patch, mind you)!
It's been brought to my attention that the CCDE logo is every bit as
repulsive and indistinguishable from all of the others, so that shoots
holes in my conspiracy theory that Cisco is blending all of the "lower"
certs into an indistinct mush. I still don't like it and none of those
monstrosities will be appearing on any of my stuff.
I try to stay on topic to the greatest extent possible, and this is
borderline - certainly it's not of much interest to anybody with an
upcoming lab date. So I'll shut up now and try to answer a few
technical posts in the coming days as an atonement to the list...
Regards,
Scott
-----Original Message-----
From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
Yandy Ramirez
Sent: Sunday, January 18, 2009 1:10 PM
To: Andrew Larkins
Cc: <ccielab@groupstudy.com>
Subject: Re: New CCIE logo
Why are people making such a big deal out of logos? Seriously, because
the logo is uglier does not mean that you'll be valued any less.
You'll make the same amount of money as long as your talents don't get
uglier ;) which is what counts at the end of it all.
------
yandy
On Jan 18, 2009, at 2:59 PM, "Andrew Larkins"
<Andrew.Larkins@bytes.co.za > wrote:
> Wow - those logos are rubbish and they probably had an advertising
> company make a lot of money with that idea....
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf
> Of Scott M Vermillion
> Sent: 17 January 2009 22:53 PM
> To: 'Alexei Monastyrnyi'; 'Ali El Moussaoui'
> Cc: 'Ahmed Elhoussiny'; 'Expert Aspirant'; 'darth router'; 'Lars
> Christensen'; 'Tony Varriale'; 'Dane Newman'; ccielab@groupstudy.com
> Subject: RE: New CCIE logo
>
> And did they bar CCIEs from voting!? That stupid thing is ridiculous.
> I'd
> be willing to wager that sales of CCIE logo merchandise grind to a
> complete halt. I know that I won't be putting that crap on anything
> of mine - business cards, shirts, jackets, or otherwise.
>
> I personally view this as part of Cisco's overall drive to diminish
> the CCIE in favor of the CCDE. They've already seen a design cert
> fail miserably and they seem to be willing to sacrifice the CCIE to
> ensure that it doesn't happen again. I personally suspect that it
> will, regardless of how much damage they do to the CCIE. They already
> had a flagship certification but elected to try to outdo themselves.
> Bad move all around, IMHO...
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf
> Of Alexei Monastyrnyi
> Sent: Saturday, January 17, 2009 9:55 AM
> To: Ali El Moussaoui
> Cc: Ahmed Elhoussiny; Expert Aspirant; darth router; Lars Christensen;
> Tony Varriale; Dane Newman; ccielab@groupstudy.com
> Subject: Re: New CCIE logo
>
> yes they did, it was about July 08
>
> A.
>
> Ali El Moussaoui wrote:
>> 2ewwwwwwwwwwwwwww...............did they conduct a survey?????
>>
>> On Sat, Jan 17, 2009 at 4:12 PM, Ahmed Elhoussiny
> <aelhoussiny@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>>
>>> LOOOL
>>> I really liked the new logo , but there isn't new Logo for the
>>> specialization/foundation certifications.
>>>
>>> B.Regards
>>> Ahmed Elhoussiny ( DarkFiber ) , CCIE # 21988 Network Consultant &
>>> Cisco Academy Instructor.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sat, Jan 17, 2009 at 8:59 AM, Expert Aspirant
> <frenzeus@streamyx.com>
> wrote:
>>>
>>>> utterly disgusting.. so guys with multiple ccie tracks have to put
> all
> of
>>>> 'em on their business card? LoL
>>>>
>>>> -K
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "darth router"
> <darklordrouter@gmail.com>
>>>> To: "Lars Christensen" <perseusdk@gmail.com>
>>>> Cc: "Tony Varriale" <tvarriale@flamboyaninc.com>; "Dane Newman"
>>>> <dane.newman@gmail.com>; <ccielab@groupstudy.com>
>>>> Sent: Saturday, January 17, 2009 3:03 AM
>>>> Subject: Re: New CCIE logo
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Wow,
>>>>>
>>>>> Those logo's are terrible.
>>>>>
>>>>> On Fri, Jan 16, 2009 at 9:50 AM, Lars Christensen
>>>>> <perseusdk@gmail.com>wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> The news was released with a newsletter from Cisco a few days
>>>>>> ago.
> Also
>>>>>> you
>>>>>> can see more information about the new logos on
>>>>>> https://cisco.hosted.jivesoftware.com/docs/DOC-3813
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Regards
>>>>>> Lars Christensen
>>>>>> CCIE #20292
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On
> Behalf
> Of
>>>>>> Tony
>>>>>> Varriale
>>>>>> Sent: 16. januar 2009 18:29
>>>>>> To: 'Dane Newman'; ccielab@groupstudy.com
>>>>>> Subject: RE: New CCIE logo
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I didn't see the official release/cutover on the CCIE page.
>>>>>> Where
> are
>>>>>> you
>>>>>> seeing this?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On
> Behalf
> Of
>>>>>> Dane
>>>>>> Newman
>>>>>> Sent: Friday, January 16, 2009 10:41 AM
>>>>>> To: ccielab@groupstudy.com
>>>>>> Subject: New CCIE logo
>>>>>>
>>>>>> So what's everyone think of the new logo? personally I like the
> old
> one
>>>>>> so
>>>>>> much better I feel like the new one should come with a pilots
> license
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
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