From: Scott M Vermillion (scott_ccie_list@it-ag.com)
Date: Sun Jan 18 2009 - 19:47:31 ARST
Actually, I agree with you to a degree, Yandy. Fully extend that philosophy
and the same can actually be said about certifications as a whole, to an
extent.
It just strikes me as more than a little wacky that Cisco has taken this
path, though. The original CCIE logo is one of the most recognizable in the
industry, if not >the< most recognizable. Would Mercedes be foolish enough
to abandon their globally recognizable logo? Would Polo punt to a rodeo
cowboy or a mule pulling a plow? Would Rolex roll to an alarm clock icon?
Would the Olympics 86 their colorful rings? Of course not, because that
would be brandicide.
I'm not really big into vendor wear but I do have a collection of CCIE
shirts and a light jacket that I wear. Why? Because I'm an independent
consultant and it's very effective and affordable marketing at events,
conventions, etc. Also, it's a great conversation piece - CCIEs like to
chat with other CCIEs and CCIE candidates love to talk to CCIEs. I'm all
too happy to hash the pros and cons of home labs, vendor training materials,
etc with anybody who has an interest. Were I to wear this new monstrosity
around, from any distance at all, how would anybody distinguish me from the
CCENT standing next to me? So by diminishing their own brand, Cisco by
extension diminishes the brand of those of us who have earned the cert. For
some of us, that goes very directly to the bottom line. Hence the seemingly
hyper-sensitivity of some of us! Like so many things, it can be distilled
down to a matter of dollars and cents.
It also just seems to be lacking from a practicality perspective, BTW. Were
I to add SP to my collection of certs, which logo would I chose? LOL, maybe
we'll go the biker route and wear leather vests covered in "ride patches."
I can put SP right next to my Sturgis 2009 patch (not that I was actually
there or have such a patch, mind you)!
It's been brought to my attention that the CCDE logo is every bit as
repulsive and indistinguishable from all of the others, so that shoots holes
in my conspiracy theory that Cisco is blending all of the "lower" certs into
an indistinct mush. I still don't like it and none of those monstrosities
will be appearing on any of my stuff.
I try to stay on topic to the greatest extent possible, and this is
borderline - certainly it's not of much interest to anybody with an upcoming
lab date. So I'll shut up now and try to answer a few technical posts in
the coming days as an atonement to the list...
Regards,
Scott
-----Original Message-----
From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
Yandy Ramirez
Sent: Sunday, January 18, 2009 1:10 PM
To: Andrew Larkins
Cc: <ccielab@groupstudy.com>
Subject: Re: New CCIE logo
Why are people making such a big deal out of logos? Seriously, because
the logo is uglier does not mean that you'll be valued any less.
You'll make the same amount of money as long as your talents don't get
uglier ;) which is what counts at the end of it all.
------
yandy
On Jan 18, 2009, at 2:59 PM, "Andrew Larkins" <Andrew.Larkins@bytes.co.za
> wrote:
> Wow - those logos are rubbish and they probably had an advertising
> company make a lot of money with that idea....
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf
> Of
> Scott M Vermillion
> Sent: 17 January 2009 22:53 PM
> To: 'Alexei Monastyrnyi'; 'Ali El Moussaoui'
> Cc: 'Ahmed Elhoussiny'; 'Expert Aspirant'; 'darth router'; 'Lars
> Christensen'; 'Tony Varriale'; 'Dane Newman'; ccielab@groupstudy.com
> Subject: RE: New CCIE logo
>
> And did they bar CCIEs from voting!? That stupid thing is ridiculous.
> I'd
> be willing to wager that sales of CCIE logo merchandise grind to a
> complete
> halt. I know that I won't be putting that crap on anything of mine -
> business cards, shirts, jackets, or otherwise.
>
> I personally view this as part of Cisco's overall drive to diminish
> the
> CCIE
> in favor of the CCDE. They've already seen a design cert fail
> miserably
> and
> they seem to be willing to sacrifice the CCIE to ensure that it
> doesn't
> happen again. I personally suspect that it will, regardless of how
> much
> damage they do to the CCIE. They already had a flagship certification
> but
> elected to try to outdo themselves. Bad move all around, IMHO...
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf
> Of
> Alexei Monastyrnyi
> Sent: Saturday, January 17, 2009 9:55 AM
> To: Ali El Moussaoui
> Cc: Ahmed Elhoussiny; Expert Aspirant; darth router; Lars Christensen;
> Tony
> Varriale; Dane Newman; ccielab@groupstudy.com
> Subject: Re: New CCIE logo
>
> yes they did, it was about July 08
>
> A.
>
> Ali El Moussaoui wrote:
>> 2ewwwwwwwwwwwwwww...............did they conduct a survey?????
>>
>> On Sat, Jan 17, 2009 at 4:12 PM, Ahmed Elhoussiny
> <aelhoussiny@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>>
>>> LOOOL
>>> I really liked the new logo , but there isn't new Logo for the
>>> specialization/foundation certifications.
>>>
>>> B.Regards
>>> Ahmed Elhoussiny ( DarkFiber ) , CCIE # 21988
>>> Network Consultant & Cisco Academy Instructor.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sat, Jan 17, 2009 at 8:59 AM, Expert Aspirant
> <frenzeus@streamyx.com>
> wrote:
>>>
>>>> utterly disgusting.. so guys with multiple ccie tracks have to put
> all
> of
>>>> 'em on their business card? LoL
>>>>
>>>> -K
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "darth router"
> <darklordrouter@gmail.com>
>>>> To: "Lars Christensen" <perseusdk@gmail.com>
>>>> Cc: "Tony Varriale" <tvarriale@flamboyaninc.com>; "Dane Newman"
>>>> <dane.newman@gmail.com>; <ccielab@groupstudy.com>
>>>> Sent: Saturday, January 17, 2009 3:03 AM
>>>> Subject: Re: New CCIE logo
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Wow,
>>>>>
>>>>> Those logo's are terrible.
>>>>>
>>>>> On Fri, Jan 16, 2009 at 9:50 AM, Lars Christensen
>>>>> <perseusdk@gmail.com>wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> The news was released with a newsletter from Cisco a few days
>>>>>> ago.
> Also
>>>>>> you
>>>>>> can see more information about the new logos on
>>>>>> https://cisco.hosted.jivesoftware.com/docs/DOC-3813
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Regards
>>>>>> Lars Christensen
>>>>>> CCIE #20292
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On
> Behalf
> Of
>>>>>> Tony
>>>>>> Varriale
>>>>>> Sent: 16. januar 2009 18:29
>>>>>> To: 'Dane Newman'; ccielab@groupstudy.com
>>>>>> Subject: RE: New CCIE logo
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I didn't see the official release/cutover on the CCIE page.
>>>>>> Where
> are
>>>>>> you
>>>>>> seeing this?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On
> Behalf
> Of
>>>>>> Dane
>>>>>> Newman
>>>>>> Sent: Friday, January 16, 2009 10:41 AM
>>>>>> To: ccielab@groupstudy.com
>>>>>> Subject: New CCIE logo
>>>>>>
>>>>>> So what's everyone think of the new logo? personally I like the
> old
> one
>>>>>> so
>>>>>> much better I feel like the new one should come with a pilots
> license
>>>>>>
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