Re: Changes to CCIE Lab and Written Exam Question Format and

From: Mohammed Naviwala (monavy@gmail.com)
Date: Sat Jan 17 2009 - 05:08:40 ARST

hahahahahahahahaha

cant stop laughing on that.
On Sat, Jan 17, 2009 at 2:43 AM, Jonny English <redkidneybeans@gmail.com>wrote:

> wow, I can't believe Cisco keeps you in the loop on everything single thing
> they do. You must have a fan base there as well ;)
>
> On Sat, Jan 17, 2009 at 10:06 AM, Darby Weaver <ccie.weaver@gmail.com
> >wrote:
>
> > Yes, the new interview questions are the least of a person's problems.
> >
> > Wait till the candidates who prepared using topologies and configs they
> may
> > or may not have memorized are no longer present on the lab at all.
> >
> > Unless of course they fail or are perceived to have failed the verbal
> > portion of the lab.
> >
> > 1. Real Candidates get the Real Labs
> >
> > 2. Candidates who failed the verbal get the what the labs they expected
> to
> > see aka the "memorizes labs".
> >
> >
> > I think its a total work of art.
> >
> > FYI - Cisco spent a good little penny about 6-7 months ago putting
> together
> > a think-tank to make the late "memorization-proof".
> > The biggest problem presented was how to stop anyone from simply
> memorizing
> > one or more portions of the lab exam.
> >
> > So...
> >
> > 1. The Interview - Verbal.
> > 2. Give the cheaters what they expect to see - They already failed the
> lab
> > anyway.
> > 3. Give the Real Candidates a Real Lab - They did not come with
> > pre-conceived notions and so they will never know the difference in the
> > first place.
> >
> > This means:
> >
> > 1. The gunmen or people who try to pass by memorization will shake their
> > heads wondering why they failed.
> > 2. The Real Lab Candidates will either pass or fail and will be none the
> > wiser.
> > 3. The lab exam will maintain its integrity and standing as the premier
> > un-cheatable certification exam in the entire I.T. industry and the value
> > of
> > the CCIE is maintained.
> >
> > I think it is pure genius.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Fri, Jan 16, 2009 at 9:06 AM, Jason Morris <mcnever@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > I think from a 'PR perspective' they should have pushed it out 90
> > > days. Only because people who are scheduled within the next 90 days
> > > have already paid for the exam and now they're changing it. Yeah it
> > > shouldn't matter, if you can pass the exam you should be able to
> > > answer the questions but, its the principle of the thing.
> > >
> > > I wonder if an exceptable answer for the 'OSPF timer question' would
> > > be 'sho ip osp int'... I'm going to try to answer all my questions in
> > > the form of show commands...
> > >
> > >
> > > "You just stated " I believe people are free to express how they feel".
> > > Then
> > > you are telling me that I should keep it to myself. I am doing exactly
> > what
> > > you stated. Have a great day."
> > >
> > > Thats what makes defending civil liberties such a bitch, you're always
> > > defending someone elses right to try to take your rights away... at
> > > point... you lose
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On Fri, Jan 16, 2009 at 5:43 AM, abdul muhammed <abdulmuri@gmail.com>
> > > wrote:
> > > > It is unfortunate that in a study group like these, their are low
> > > > minded people who generalised statement without facts instead of
> > > > discussing the issue at hand. I believe no country in these whole
> > > > world that is a saint without criminal records.
> > > >
> > > > I hope we will not have a reason to turn the study group into an
> > > > avenue for attacking countries rather than the initial objective.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On Fri, Jan 16, 2009 at 12:02 AM, Atlanta CCIE <
> atlantaccie@gmail.com>
> > > wrote:
> > > >> You are right. Not all nigerians are scammers but for some reason
> all
> > > >> scammers are nigerians :)
> > > >>
> > > >> On Thu, Jan 15, 2009 at 4:14 PM, Valentine Amalu <
> vamalu@secnetng.com
> > > >wrote:
> > > >>
> > > >>> Hey,
> > > >>> Do you guys mind? There are Nigerians on the forum, and just incase
> > you
> > > >>> don't know, we are not all scammers! Stcik to the issue at hand.
> > > >>>
> > > >>> Cheers,
> > > >>> Valentine
> > > >>>
> > > >>>
> > > >>> -----Original Message-----
> > > >>> From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On
> Behalf
> > > Of
> > > >>> Huan
> > > >>> Pham
> > > >>> Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2009 8:16 PM
> > > >>> To: Scott M Vermillion
> > > >>> Cc: hanan; <ccielab@groupstudy.com>
> > > >>> Subject: Re: Changes to CCIE Lab and Written Exam Question Format
> and
> > > >>> Scoring
> > > >>>
> > > >>> Yeah I see that now
> > > >>>
> > > >>> If this turns out not to be a hoax then by doing this type of
> > > communication
> > > >>> practice, Cisco has greatly helped Negerian scammers in bluring the
> > > line
> > > >>> between true stories & hoaxes then ;)
> > > >>>
> > > >>>
> > > >>>
> > > >>> Sent from my iPhone
> > > >>>
> > > >>> On 15/01/2009, at 6:58 AM, "Scott M Vermillion" <
> > > scott_ccie_list@it-ag.com
> > > >>> >
> > > >>> wrote:
> > > >>>
> > > >>> Hi Huan,
> > > >>>
> > > >>> The problem is that if you go to www.cisco.com and then navigate
> to
> > > the
> > > >>> certification online support page (so that you can be confident
> > you're
> > > not
> > > >>> being directed to a bogus site), you will find a Q&A that confirms
> > this
> > > >>> change and addresses a number of questions regarding it. The
> e-mail
> > is
> > > >>> poorly worded, suggesting a hoax. Also, this is not in alignment
> > with
> > > >>> Cisco's general practice of announcing changes six months out,
> > further
> > > >>> raising suspicions (at least in some of us). However, unless
> someone
> > > has
> > > >>> hacked Cisco's online cert support site, it appears to be
> > authentic...
> > > >>>
> > > >>> Cheers,
> > > >>>
> > > >>> Scott
> > > >>>
> > > >>>
> > > >>> -----Original Message-----
> > > >>> From: Huan Pham [mailto:pnhuan@yahoo.com]
> > > >>> Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2009 12:47 PM
> > > >>> To: Scott M Vermillion
> > > >>> Cc: hanan; <ccielab@groupstudy.com>
> > > >>> Subject: Re: Changes to CCIE Lab and Written Exam Question Format
> and
> > > >>> Scoring
> > > >>>
> > > >>> Can't agree more! It's a hoax
> > > >>>
> > > >>> Based on responses from this highly technical list, i guess
> Nigerean
> > > >>> scammers will continue to be able to make easy money by sending
> scam
> > > >>> emails!!!!
> > > >>>
> > > >>>
> > > >>>
> > > >>> Sent from my iPhone
> > > >>>
> > > >>> On 15/01/2009, at 2:39 AM, "Scott M Vermillion" <
> > > scott_ccie_list@it-ag.com
> > > >>> >
> > > >>> wrote:
> > > >>>
> > > >>> Have to admit that my initial reaction was that this must be a
> forged
> > > >>> e-mail
> > > >>> based on the following passage:
> > > >>>
> > > >>> "The exams are not been increased in difficulty..."
> > > >>>
> > > >>> Not exactly the kind of grammatical gymnastics you would expect to
> > see
> > > in
> > > >>> an
> > > >>> official communiqui from Cisco.
> > > >>>
> > > >>> However, there is now a Q&A session at the Online Support page:
> > > >>>
> > > >>>
> > >
> >
> http://ciscocert.custhelp.com/cgi-bin/ciscocert.cfg/php/enduser/std_alp.php
> > > >>> ?
> > > >>> p_sid=*_D94Vnj
> > > >>>
> > > >>> No mention of any changes to the written to be found there as
> yet...
> > > >>>
> > > >>>
> > > >>> -----Original Message-----
> > > >>> From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On
> Behalf
> > > Of
> > > >>> hanan
> > > >>> Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2009 1:04 AM
> > > >>> To: ccielab@groupstudy.com
> > > >>> Subject: Changes to CCIE Lab and Written Exam Question Format and
> > > Scoring
> > > >>>
> > > >>> Changes to CCIE Lab and Written Exam Question Format and Scoring
> > > >>>
> > > >>> Effective February 1, 2009, Cisco will introduce a new type of
> > question
> > > >>> format to CCIE Routing and Switching lab exams. In addition to the
> > live
> > > >>> configuration scenarios, candidates will be asked a series of four
> or
> > > five
> > > >>> open-ended questions, drawn from a pool of questions based on the
> > > material
> > > >>> covered on the lab blueprint. No new topics are being added. The
> > exams
> > > are
> > > >>> not been increased in difficulty and the well-prepared candidate
> > should
> > > >>> have
> > > >>> no trouble answering the questions. The length of the exam will
> > remain
> > > >>> eight
> > > >>> hours. Candidates will need to achieve a passing score on both the
> > > >>> open-ended questions and the lab portion in order to pass the lab
> and
> > > >>> become
> > > >>> certified. Other CCIE tracks will change over the next year, with
> > > exact
> > > >>> dates announced in advance.
> > > >>>
> > > >>>
> > > >>> Effective February 17th, 2009, candidates will also see two other
> > > changes
> > > >>> in
> > > >>> CCIE written exams. First, candidates will now be required to
> answer
> > > each
> > > >>> question before moving on to the next question; candidates will no
> > > longer
> > > >>> be
> > > >>> allowed to skip a question and come back to it at a later time.
> > Second,
> > > >>> there will be an update to the score report. The overall exam score
> > and
> > > the
> > > >>> exam passing score will now be reported as a scaled score, on a
> scale
> > > from
> > > >>> 300-1000. This change will not affect the difficulty of the current
> > set
> > > of
> > > >>> exams and will assure CCIE written exams will be consistent with
> > > Cisco's
> > > >>> other career certification exams.
> > > >>>
> > > >>>
> > > >>> Blogs and organic groups at http://www.ccie.net
> > > >>>
> > > >>>
> > _______________________________________________________________________
> > > >>> Subscription information may be found at:
> > > >>> http://www.groupstudy.com/list/CCIELab.html
> > > >>>
> > > >>>
> > > >>> Blogs and organic groups at http://www.ccie.net
> > > >>>
> > > >>>
> > _______________________________________________________________________
> > > >>> Subscription information may be found at:
> > > >>> http://www.groupstudy.com/list/CCIELab.html
> > > >>>
> > > >>>
> > > >>> Blogs and organic groups at http://www.ccie.net
> > > >>>
> > > >>>
> > _______________________________________________________________________
> > > >>> Subscription information may be found at:
> > > >>> http://www.groupstudy.com/list/CCIELab.html
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >> Blogs and organic groups at http://www.ccie.net
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > _______________________________________________________________________
> > > >> Subscription information may be found at:
> > > >> http://www.groupstudy.com/list/CCIELab.html
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > There are no limitations to the mind except those we acknowledge;
> both
> > > > poverty and riches are the offspring of thought. "Napoleon Hill"
> > > >
> > > > Abdul Muhammed Murtala
> > > > American University of Nigeria
> > > > Lamido Zubairu way, Yola
> > > > Adamawa
> > > > +2348052001153, +2348056201237
> > > >
> > > > Network Manager
> > > > MCSE,MCDBA,MCSA,OCPDBA,CCNA,CCIE Written.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Blogs and organic groups at http://www.ccie.net
> > > >
> > > >
> _______________________________________________________________________
> > > > Subscription information may be found at:
> > > > http://www.groupstudy.com/list/CCIELab.html
> > >
> > >
> > > Blogs and organic groups at http://www.ccie.net
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________________________________
> > > Subscription information may be found at:
> > > http://www.groupstudy.com/list/CCIELab.html
> >
> >
> > Blogs and organic groups at http://www.ccie.net
> >
> > _______________________________________________________________________
> > Subscription information may be found at:
> > http://www.groupstudy.com/list/CCIELab.html
>
>
> Blogs and organic groups at http://www.ccie.net
>
> _______________________________________________________________________
> Subscription information may be found at:
> http://www.groupstudy.com/list/CCIELab.html
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> 

-- 
Best Regards

Mohammed Abdul Razzaq

If you are not small enough to loose, you are not big enough to win..

Blogs and organic groups at http://www.ccie.net

This archive was generated by hypermail 2.1.4 : Sun Mar 01 2009 - 09:43:38 ARST