From: Darby Weaver (ccie.weaver@gmail.com)
Date: Fri Jan 16 2009 - 19:06:20 ARST
Yes, the new interview questions are the least of a person's problems.
Wait till the candidates who prepared using topologies and configs they may
or may not have memorized are no longer present on the lab at all.
Unless of course they fail or are perceived to have failed the verbal
portion of the lab.
1. Real Candidates get the Real Labs
2. Candidates who failed the verbal get the what the labs they expected to
see aka the "memorizes labs".
I think its a total work of art.
FYI - Cisco spent a good little penny about 6-7 months ago putting together
a think-tank to make the late "memorization-proof".
The biggest problem presented was how to stop anyone from simply memorizing
one or more portions of the lab exam.
So...
1. The Interview - Verbal.
2. Give the cheaters what they expect to see - They already failed the lab
anyway.
3. Give the Real Candidates a Real Lab - They did not come with
pre-conceived notions and so they will never know the difference in the
first place.
This means:
1. The gunmen or people who try to pass by memorization will shake their
heads wondering why they failed.
2. The Real Lab Candidates will either pass or fail and will be none the
wiser.
3. The lab exam will maintain its integrity and standing as the premier
un-cheatable certification exam in the entire I.T. industry and the value of
the CCIE is maintained.
I think it is pure genius.
On Fri, Jan 16, 2009 at 9:06 AM, Jason Morris <mcnever@gmail.com> wrote:
> I think from a 'PR perspective' they should have pushed it out 90
> days. Only because people who are scheduled within the next 90 days
> have already paid for the exam and now they're changing it. Yeah it
> shouldn't matter, if you can pass the exam you should be able to
> answer the questions but, its the principle of the thing.
>
> I wonder if an exceptable answer for the 'OSPF timer question' would
> be 'sho ip osp int'... I'm going to try to answer all my questions in
> the form of show commands...
>
>
> "You just stated " I believe people are free to express how they feel".
> Then
> you are telling me that I should keep it to myself. I am doing exactly what
> you stated. Have a great day."
>
> Thats what makes defending civil liberties such a bitch, you're always
> defending someone elses right to try to take your rights away... at
> point... you lose
>
>
>
>
>
> On Fri, Jan 16, 2009 at 5:43 AM, abdul muhammed <abdulmuri@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > It is unfortunate that in a study group like these, their are low
> > minded people who generalised statement without facts instead of
> > discussing the issue at hand. I believe no country in these whole
> > world that is a saint without criminal records.
> >
> > I hope we will not have a reason to turn the study group into an
> > avenue for attacking countries rather than the initial objective.
> >
> >
> > On Fri, Jan 16, 2009 at 12:02 AM, Atlanta CCIE <atlantaccie@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >> You are right. Not all nigerians are scammers but for some reason all
> >> scammers are nigerians :)
> >>
> >> On Thu, Jan 15, 2009 at 4:14 PM, Valentine Amalu <vamalu@secnetng.com
> >wrote:
> >>
> >>> Hey,
> >>> Do you guys mind? There are Nigerians on the forum, and just incase you
> >>> don't know, we are not all scammers! Stcik to the issue at hand.
> >>>
> >>> Cheers,
> >>> Valentine
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> -----Original Message-----
> >>> From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf
> Of
> >>> Huan
> >>> Pham
> >>> Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2009 8:16 PM
> >>> To: Scott M Vermillion
> >>> Cc: hanan; <ccielab@groupstudy.com>
> >>> Subject: Re: Changes to CCIE Lab and Written Exam Question Format and
> >>> Scoring
> >>>
> >>> Yeah I see that now
> >>>
> >>> If this turns out not to be a hoax then by doing this type of
> communication
> >>> practice, Cisco has greatly helped Negerian scammers in bluring the
> line
> >>> between true stories & hoaxes then ;)
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Sent from my iPhone
> >>>
> >>> On 15/01/2009, at 6:58 AM, "Scott M Vermillion" <
> scott_ccie_list@it-ag.com
> >>> >
> >>> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Hi Huan,
> >>>
> >>> The problem is that if you go to www.cisco.com and then navigate to
> the
> >>> certification online support page (so that you can be confident you're
> not
> >>> being directed to a bogus site), you will find a Q&A that confirms this
> >>> change and addresses a number of questions regarding it. The e-mail is
> >>> poorly worded, suggesting a hoax. Also, this is not in alignment with
> >>> Cisco's general practice of announcing changes six months out, further
> >>> raising suspicions (at least in some of us). However, unless someone
> has
> >>> hacked Cisco's online cert support site, it appears to be authentic...
> >>>
> >>> Cheers,
> >>>
> >>> Scott
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> -----Original Message-----
> >>> From: Huan Pham [mailto:pnhuan@yahoo.com]
> >>> Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2009 12:47 PM
> >>> To: Scott M Vermillion
> >>> Cc: hanan; <ccielab@groupstudy.com>
> >>> Subject: Re: Changes to CCIE Lab and Written Exam Question Format and
> >>> Scoring
> >>>
> >>> Can't agree more! It's a hoax
> >>>
> >>> Based on responses from this highly technical list, i guess Nigerean
> >>> scammers will continue to be able to make easy money by sending scam
> >>> emails!!!!
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Sent from my iPhone
> >>>
> >>> On 15/01/2009, at 2:39 AM, "Scott M Vermillion" <
> scott_ccie_list@it-ag.com
> >>> >
> >>> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Have to admit that my initial reaction was that this must be a forged
> >>> e-mail
> >>> based on the following passage:
> >>>
> >>> "The exams are not been increased in difficulty..."
> >>>
> >>> Not exactly the kind of grammatical gymnastics you would expect to see
> in
> >>> an
> >>> official communiqui from Cisco.
> >>>
> >>> However, there is now a Q&A session at the Online Support page:
> >>>
> >>>
> http://ciscocert.custhelp.com/cgi-bin/ciscocert.cfg/php/enduser/std_alp.php
> >>> ?
> >>> p_sid=*_D94Vnj
> >>>
> >>> No mention of any changes to the written to be found there as yet...
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> -----Original Message-----
> >>> From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf
> Of
> >>> hanan
> >>> Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2009 1:04 AM
> >>> To: ccielab@groupstudy.com
> >>> Subject: Changes to CCIE Lab and Written Exam Question Format and
> Scoring
> >>>
> >>> Changes to CCIE Lab and Written Exam Question Format and Scoring
> >>>
> >>> Effective February 1, 2009, Cisco will introduce a new type of question
> >>> format to CCIE Routing and Switching lab exams. In addition to the live
> >>> configuration scenarios, candidates will be asked a series of four or
> five
> >>> open-ended questions, drawn from a pool of questions based on the
> material
> >>> covered on the lab blueprint. No new topics are being added. The exams
> are
> >>> not been increased in difficulty and the well-prepared candidate should
> >>> have
> >>> no trouble answering the questions. The length of the exam will remain
> >>> eight
> >>> hours. Candidates will need to achieve a passing score on both the
> >>> open-ended questions and the lab portion in order to pass the lab and
> >>> become
> >>> certified. Other CCIE tracks will change over the next year, with
> exact
> >>> dates announced in advance.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Effective February 17th, 2009, candidates will also see two other
> changes
> >>> in
> >>> CCIE written exams. First, candidates will now be required to answer
> each
> >>> question before moving on to the next question; candidates will no
> longer
> >>> be
> >>> allowed to skip a question and come back to it at a later time. Second,
> >>> there will be an update to the score report. The overall exam score and
> the
> >>> exam passing score will now be reported as a scaled score, on a scale
> from
> >>> 300-1000. This change will not affect the difficulty of the current set
> of
> >>> exams and will assure CCIE written exams will be consistent with
> Cisco's
> >>> other career certification exams.
> >>>
> >>>
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