From: Anthony Sequeira (asequeira@internetworkexpert.com)
Date: Fri Jan 16 2009 - 17:35:14 ARST
Hi Valentine.
GroupStudy is not moderated. A nice guy named Paul owns and operates
the list. He occasionally kicks people off - but mainly only if they
are trying to steal his list members through the creation of their own
list. If you prefer a moderated forum - you can find those other
places on the Web. I think you alluded to the fact that you know where
they are. :-)
I have been active here since 2004, and I will say that in the last
year there has been a lot of Politics, Gender, and Religion discussed.
I sure wish it was not the case, but I just get better and better at
ignoring those threads.
I hope you can learn to enjoy the list (with its faults) and I hope
you continue to enjoy your studies.
Anthony J. Sequeira, CCIE #15626, CCSI #23251
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On Jan 16, 2009, at 1:00 PM, Valentine Amalu wrote:
> Atlantaccie, nortic, Hun et al.
>
> Seriously,
>
> I joined GS in other to get encouragement and learn from other
> professionals
> as I prepare for my CCIE lab exam. I cannot deny the level of Cisco
> networking skill displayed by a lot of people in GS.
>
> However, I cannot say the same for their bigoted and insensitive
> jibes at
> people of non US or Western Europe nationality. Take for example, the
> comments about scammers and Nigeria, or the snide comments about
> Arabs or
> Chinese or Indians being the ones that cheat most at the lab. If I
> want to
> indulge in ethno political flaming, I know where to go, and it
> should not be
> GS. It's pretty obvious to me that smartness and stupidity can
> coexist.
>
> I am Nigerian, no apologies, and i don't like anyone, no matter how
> seemingly smart the person is to call me a scammer, directly or
> indirectly,
> no not at all. Yes, there are scammers in Nigeria, just like there
> thieves
> and murderers and hackers and all sorts of criminals in different
> countries.
> I have seen enough of such in the US and UK, for example.
>
> I will not allow anyone call me a scammer and just let it go. For
> all those
> ignorant/stupid people that make such comments, maybe you live in
> paradise,
> where everyone is perfect. Please let me know such a place ok.
>
> GS moderators,
> Like I said, if I want ethno political fights, I know where to go. I
> believe
> you guys should let everyone on this forum know (or maybe remind
> people)
> what this forum is all about. I don't know how long such bigoted
> comments
> have been going on in GS, since I am just a few months old in GS,
> but I
> would want to believe that it's not the norm.
>
> Regards,
> Valentine
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nortic @hackermail.com [mailto:nortic@hackermail.com]
> Sent: Friday, January 16, 2009 1:06 PM
> To: Atlanta CCIE; Valentine Amalu
> Cc: Huan Pham; Scott M Vermillion; hanan; ccielab@groupstudy.com
> Subject: Re: Changes to CCIE Lab and Written Exam Question Format and
> Scoring
>
> Do you have any other conceived perceptions you would like to share?
>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Atlanta CCIE" <atlantaccie@gmail.com>
>> To: "Valentine Amalu" <vamalu@secnetng.com>
>> Cc: "Huan Pham" <pnhuan@yahoo.com>, "Scott M Vermillion"
> <scott_ccie_list@it-ag.com>, hanan <nouran@skynet.be>,
> ccielab@groupstudy.com
>> Subject: Re: Changes to CCIE Lab and Written Exam Question Format and
> Scoring
>> Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2009 18:02:59 -0500
>>
>>
>> You are right. Not all nigerians are scammers but for some reason all
>> scammers are nigerians :)
>>
>> On Thu, Jan 15, 2009 at 4:14 PM, Valentine Amalu
> <vamalu@secnetng.com>wrote:
>>
>>> Hey,
>>> Do you guys mind? There are Nigerians on the forum, and just
>>> incase you
>>> don't know, we are not all scammers! Stcik to the issue at hand.
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>> Valentine
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On
>>> Behalf Of
>>> Huan
>>> Pham
>>> Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2009 8:16 PM
>>> To: Scott M Vermillion
>>> Cc: hanan; <ccielab@groupstudy.com>
>>> Subject: Re: Changes to CCIE Lab and Written Exam Question Format
>>> and
>>> Scoring
>>>
>>> Yeah I see that now
>>>
>>> If this turns out not to be a hoax then by doing this type of
> communication
>>> practice, Cisco has greatly helped Negerian scammers in bluring
>>> the line
>>> between true stories & hoaxes then ;)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> On 15/01/2009, at 6:58 AM, "Scott M Vermillion"
> <scott_ccie_list@it-ag.com
>>>>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi Huan,
>>>
>>> The problem is that if you go to www.cisco.com and then navigate
>>> to the
>>> certification online support page (so that you can be confident
>>> you're
> not
>>> being directed to a bogus site), you will find a Q&A that confirms
>>> this
>>> change and addresses a number of questions regarding it. The e-
>>> mail is
>>> poorly worded, suggesting a hoax. Also, this is not in alignment
>>> with
>>> Cisco's general practice of announcing changes six months out,
>>> further
>>> raising suspicions (at least in some of us). However, unless
>>> someone
> has
>>> hacked Cisco's online cert support site, it appears to be
>>> authentic...
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>>
>>> Scott
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Huan Pham [mailto:pnhuan@yahoo.com]
>>> Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2009 12:47 PM
>>> To: Scott M Vermillion
>>> Cc: hanan; <ccielab@groupstudy.com>
>>> Subject: Re: Changes to CCIE Lab and Written Exam Question Format
>>> and
>>> Scoring
>>>
>>> Can't agree more! It's a hoax
>>>
>>> Based on responses from this highly technical list, i guess Nigerean
>>> scammers will continue to be able to make easy money by sending scam
>>> emails!!!!
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> On 15/01/2009, at 2:39 AM, "Scott M Vermillion"
> <scott_ccie_list@it-ag.com
>>>>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Have to admit that my initial reaction was that this must be a
>>> forged
>>> e-mail
>>> based on the following passage:
>>>
>>> "The exams are not been increased in difficulty..."
>>>
>>> Not exactly the kind of grammatical gymnastics you would expect to
>>> see
> in
>>> an
>>> official communiqui from Cisco.
>>>
>>> However, there is now a Q&A session at the Online Support page:
>>>
>>>
> http://ciscocert.custhelp.com/cgi-bin/ciscocert.cfg/php/enduser/std_alp.php
>>> ?
>>> p_sid=*_D94Vnj
>>>
>>> No mention of any changes to the written to be found there as yet...
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On
>>> Behalf Of
>>> hanan
>>> Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2009 1:04 AM
>>> To: ccielab@groupstudy.com
>>> Subject: Changes to CCIE Lab and Written Exam Question Format and
> Scoring
>>>
>>> Changes to CCIE Lab and Written Exam Question Format and Scoring
>>>
>>> Effective February 1, 2009, Cisco will introduce a new type of
>>> question
>>> format to CCIE Routing and Switching lab exams. In addition to the
>>> live
>>> configuration scenarios, candidates will be asked a series of four
>>> or
> five
>>> open-ended questions, drawn from a pool of questions based on the
> material
>>> covered on the lab blueprint. No new topics are being added. The
>>> exams
> are
>>> not been increased in difficulty and the well-prepared candidate
>>> should
>>> have
>>> no trouble answering the questions. The length of the exam will
>>> remain
>>> eight
>>> hours. Candidates will need to achieve a passing score on both the
>>> open-ended questions and the lab portion in order to pass the lab
>>> and
>>> become
>>> certified. Other CCIE tracks will change over the next year, with
>>> exact
>>> dates announced in advance.
>>>
>>>
>>> Effective February 17th, 2009, candidates will also see two other
> changes
>>> in
>>> CCIE written exams. First, candidates will now be required to answer
> each
>>> question before moving on to the next question; candidates will no
> longer
>>> be
>>> allowed to skip a question and come back to it at a later time.
>>> Second,
>>> there will be an update to the score report. The overall exam
>>> score and
> the
>>> exam passing score will now be reported as a scaled score, on a
>>> scale
> from
>>> 300-1000. This change will not affect the difficulty of the
>>> current set
> of
>>> exams and will assure CCIE written exams will be consistent with
>>> Cisco's
>>> other career certification exams.
>>>
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