Re: Changes to CCIE Lab and Written Exam Question Format and

From: Narbik Kocharians (narbikk@gmail.com)
Date: Wed Jan 14 2009 - 17:06:39 ARST

Piyoush,

*I wonder though if the WB vendors going to include a select 5 questions as
part of their respective mock labs.*

The Work Books that have detailed explanation of the tasks don't need to
include anything, but the ones that don't ....well i guess they should do
something.
I don't think that this is a big deal, but after all its a *lab and they
should not have added or mixed questions in there*, and i hope it stops
there; could you imagine if they keep adding more questions? it will turn
into a CCDE exam, which is NOT A CCIE but its specially designed for people
that like more letters after their names.

I think this is one point that we should kinda be concerned about.

On Wed, Jan 14, 2009 at 10:43 AM, Nick <ccieaz@googlemail.com> wrote:

> So do you think that the questions points will be incorporated into the lab
> total score?
>
> Will the lab will still be 100 points, but will now have the added
> questions.
>
>
>
> 2009/1/14 Piyoush Sharma <piyoush@gmail.com>
>
> > I kinda like that Scott!!!
> > If a candidate spends months and months learning the technology, those
> > points should be a breeze... even if they carry couple of points.. I know
> > quite a few who failed with that much margin...
> > All in all, I agree that its not a big deal and if you prepare right its
> to
> > your advantage.
> >
> > I wonder though if the WB vendors going to include a select 5 questions
> as
> > part of their respective mock labs.. or if they should..
> > Knowing how tough the wb are... I can oonly guess the questions would
> test
> > even more...
> > Lol.. not let the candidate sit for the mock lab if they cannot answer
> the
> > question... a true lab experience (minus the $$$.. or maybe plus)
> >
> >
> > Piyoush
> >
> > On Wed, Jan 14, 2009 at 8:46 AM, Scott Morris <
> > smorris@internetworkexpert.com> wrote:
> >
> > > "Why" would be subjective. I don't think it'll get that.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > The other thing to look at is that you're getting points for these
> > things..
> > > That means that your exam will have LESS points you need to worry
> about.
> > > This SHOULD be easy stuff!
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > From: James MacDonald [mailto:j4m3sm63@yahoo.ca]
> > > Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2009 11:41 AM
> > > To: smorris@internetworkexpert.com; ccielab@groupstudy.com
> > > Subject: Re: Changes to CCIE Lab and Written Exam Question Format and
> > > Scoring
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > i agree ... just pointing out that it will cause undue stress on people
> > ...
> > > i personally think the questions will likely be based on the technical
> > > tasks
> > > on the specific exam the candidate gets ... i.e. did you know and
> > > understand
> > > "why" you configured something in such a way as opposed to just doing
> > > something because you were told to based on how the config looks ...
> just
> > > my
> > > 2 cents ... but they should post some actual examples so that people
> can
> > > gauge them.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ------------------------------
> > > Jim MacDonald
> > > j4m3sm63@yahoo.ca
> > > ------------------------------
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > _____
> > >
> > > From: Scott Morris <smorris@internetworkexpert.com>
> > > To: James MacDonald <j4m3sm63@yahoo.ca>; ccielab@groupstudy.com
> > > Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2009 11:26:18 AM
> > > Subject: RE: Changes to CCIE Lab and Written Exam Question Format and
> > > Scoring
> > >
> > > People don't like change. Period. but ya know, this should be viewed
> as
> > > simply another part of "Anything is fair game" that we've had the
> mantra
> > of
> > > for years.
> > >
> > > If you are going to sit for the CCIE Lab exam, you SHOULD be able to
> tell
> > > something about different pieces. Nobody is going to ask you to
> "explain
> > > the significance and history of spanning-tree on today's networks".
> > While
> > > that's definitely open-ended, it may also take a two hour answer.
> > >
> > > However, if I asked you "Please tell me the default OSPF network type
> on
> > a
> > > frame-relay physical interface and what timers are associated with
> that"
> > > are
> > > you telling me that after months/years of studying for the lab exam
> that
> > > you
> > > could not answer that?
> > >
> > > And even that may be more complicated than what they ask. The object
> is
> > to
> > > weed out the "absolutely clueless" e.g. folks who go to memorize the
> exam
> > > and not accomplish anything.
> > >
> > > If anyone here happens to be one of those types, I will at least
> applaud
> > > you
> > > for making an effort reading ongoing technical discussions, but
> otherwise
> > I
> > > think we can all agree that's a bad thing. These questions are not
> > > designed
> > > to trip you up, or otherwise test your grasp of the the nuances of the
> > > english language.
> > >
> > > Any real candidate SHOULD NOT have any difficulty with the questions
> from
> > > what I understand of them.
> > >
> > > But yes, it's something different. No, it doesn't affect your lab time
> > > (you
> > > get points for these, this should be GOOD, EASY points!). No, there's
> no
> > > additional studying you have to do. Whether you type it in or say
> > > something
> > > (1-3 word answers) shouldn't make any difference?
> > >
> > > Yes, there's always the chance that you'll be asked about something you
> > > would typically have to look up when doing a lab. So yes, you MAY lose
> > one
> > > of these questions (just thinking raw possibilities here) but if you
> > > missed
> > > all five of them because you'd have to look those things up, I would
> > > venture
> > > to say you would have an issue with a lab exam as well be looking up
> too
> > > much!
> > >
> > > Don't stress out about these things. Just concentrate on knowing the
> > > technologies and you'll be fine!
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Scott Morris, CCIE4 #4713, JNCIE-M #153, JNCIS-ER, CISSP, et al.
> > > CCSI/JNCI-M/JNCI-ER
> > > Senior CCIE Instructor
> > >
> > > smorris@internetworkexpert.com
> > >
> > >
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> > >
> > > Knowledge is power.
> > > Power corrupts.
> > > Study hard and be Eeeeviiiil......
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf
> Of
> > > James MacDonald
> > > Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2009 9:17 AM
> > > To: ccielab@groupstudy.com
> > > Subject: Re: Changes to CCIE Lab and Written Exam Question Format and
> > > Scoring
> > >
> > > I'm surprised they are announcing a fairly vague change to the lab exam
> > on
> > > Jan 14th ... and making it effective Feb 1st (just got this in the
> > > Learning@Cisco news letter) ... seems like short notice regardless of
> > how
> > > hard the questions will be ... my exam slips in just before that but i
> > sure
> > > wouldn't want to have the stress of the "unknown" with only 2 weeks out
> > to
> > > my exam ... i feel bad for those booked at the start of Feb who are
> > > following a structure they set out months ago and now need to re-group
> > and
> > > re-read some theory which will take away from their last hours prep on
> > the
> > > practical.
> > >
> > > I'm not impressed with this ... even though it doesn't impact me at
> this
> > > time ...
> > >
> > > ------------------------------
> > > Jim MacDonald
> > > j4m3sm63@yahoo.ca
> > > ------------------------------
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ________________________________
> > > From: Nick <ccieaz@googlemail.com>
> > > To: Ravi Singh <way2ccie@googlemail.com>
> > > Cc: hanan <nouran@skynet.be>; syedraheel@gmail.com;
> > ccielab@groupstudy.com
> > > Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2009 6:00:10 AM
> > > Subject: Re: Changes to CCIE Lab and Written Exam Question Format and
> > > Scoring
> > >
> > > Well there is not much detail so far imo. It would be nice for a sample
> > > question or two from Cisco. At least that way we could get a idea of
> how
> > > long the questions will take to answer, how much detail is required and
> > > maybe even how they are scored.
> > >
> > > If each question takes 5 minutes roughly, that's around 20-25 minutes .
> > > Will
> > > they be any changes to the amount of lab questions to compensate?
> > >
> > >
> > > I think its a good idea overall. We just need some more insight and
> > > details.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > 2009/1/14 Ravi Singh <way2ccie@googlemail.com>
> > >
> > > > Is this really needed ? I mean, there are instances when you just
> can't
> > > > theoretically explain a technology but given a console and a router ,
> > > > you can get it running like anything . I personally feel, it will
> > divert
> > > > the
> > > > attention of a serious lab candidate to not just understand the
> > > technology
> > > > but also "mug up " words and theory which can show that you know the
> > > > technology. What's your say Group ?
> > > >
> > > > Ravi
> > > > On Wed, Jan 14, 2009 at 10:22 AM, hanan <nouran@skynet.be> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Question
> > > > > Will the short answer questions be added to the CCIE
> > blueprints?
> > > > How
> > > > > can I prepare (study) for the questions?
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Answer
> > > > > The short answer questions cover material already listed on
> > the
> > > > CCIE
> > > > > lab exam blueprint. The questions are intended to be answered
> easily
> > > and
> > > > > quickly by well-prepared candidates.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Regards,
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On
> Behalf
> > > Of
> > > > > syedraheel@gmail.com
> > > > > Sent: 14 January 2009 10:20
> > > > > To: ccielab@groupstudy.com
> > > > > Subject: Re: Changes to CCIE Lab and Written Exam Question Format
> and
> > > > > Scoring
> > > > >
> > > > > Will the doc cd be available for short Q/A as well?....and it
> seems
> > > that
> > > > > it
> > > > > will be written Q/A not face to face by the proctor?
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