From: Scott Morris (smorris@internetworkexpert.com)
Date: Wed Jan 14 2009 - 14:36:48 ARST
These should not be subjective questions. So you really shouldn't need to
worry about any "quality procotor" issues you may have run into. Your
answer will either be right or wrong and there shouldn't be grey area.
Although I DID really like the Cert Support question about whether you could
get a re-read on the short-answer questions!
This was originally announced about 6 months ago talking about China only.
Was everyone's solution at that point to "just don't go to China"? That's
short-sighted. Yup, two weeks, but there's NOTHING DIFFERENT in how you
should prepare, which is what Atlanta CCIE was pointing out.
If they said, "Oh, by the way you have to interface (but not configure) an
IP telephony network and make phone calls to pass your lab, then yes, I'd
agree that two weeks was a litle harsh as that may take a little extra work
even if you don't configure the IP Tel stuff! ;)
The incorrectness of actual lab books, I'm not sure exactly what you mean
there, but there are supposed to be QA controls in place and pre-testing for
that.
For equipment, all the equipment is centrally managed now which should bring
more consistency and stability to things.
For proctors, as noted, this shouldnt be subjective, so even a bad proctor
can read a piece of paper ans see that your answer matches the
pre-determined correct one.
If there are issues you've had with labs or proctors, I would suggest going
through the CertSupport folks and letting someone know about it. If nobody
says something is wrong, how will management ever figure it out and
reasonably be expected to fix anything?
Just my two cents.
Scott
-----Original Message-----
From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of Tony
Varriale
Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2009 11:09 AM
To: 'Atlanta CCIE'; ccielab@groupstudy.com
Subject: RE: Changes to CCIE Lab and Written Exam Question Format and
Scoring
Did you read my concern? It isn't a complaint, or whining, or anything.
I'm not even talking about the preparation. For some reason you decided to
talk about that.
It's a real evaluation of the process and what's wrong with it. And,
Cisco's inability to fix it.
It's really a shame when people praise Cisco's poor methodologies for a
system that penalizes candidates that are putting their life on hold to
achieve something better.
I think valid candidates deserve a better shot than the poor treatment they
sometimes receive.
-----Original Message-----
From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
Atlanta CCIE
Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2009 9:58 AM
To: ccielab@groupstudy.com
Subject: Re: Changes to CCIE Lab and Written Exam Question Format and
Scoring
Anyone who is complaining about this needs to revisit their preparation. IF
you have spent a year working with all this crap preparing for the exam, you
WILL know everything. If you dont then you ARE using DUMPS! Whine all you
want but this was coming. Any crackhead can type a command and get stuff
working.
As NARBIK says, we are NOT preparing to be a TYPIST. If you know OSPF then
you know OSPF. Anyways I was hoping that everyone will be happy that this
finally came but looks like all the FAKE CCIEs are running away now. Oh No
dumps can't help me no more.
As I said, if you put effort into your preparation then you shouldn't have
ANY problems. If you used dumps or memorized crap then GOODLUCK! because you
WILL need it ;)
Great job Cisco!!!
On Wed, Jan 14, 2009 at 10:49 AM, Tony Varriale
<tvarriale@flamboyaninc.com>wrote:
> If you are prepared, 15-30 minutes is nothing.
>
> I think there are 2 items that really bother me.
>
> 1) 2 weeks notice? I'm assuming this announcement is official. IMO, any
> "change" to the program is major and should allow 1-3 months before the
> change.
> 2) There have been 3 main sources of problems with the CCIE lab
> implementation. The first is the incorrectness of the actual lab books.
> The second is the lab equipment. The third is the proctors.
>
> This allows more interaction with crappy proctors who could inject more
> influence into the outcome of your grade. IMO, this is going in the wrong
> direction and is the largest mistake. Cisco is assuming all of their
> proctors are great and everything is fine. Quite the opposite. If they
> had
> control over the quality of the proctors, I wouldn't see a problem with
> this.
>
> tv
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
> Nick
> Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2009 5:00 AM
> To: Ravi Singh
> Cc: hanan; syedraheel@gmail.com; ccielab@groupstudy.com
> Subject: Re: Changes to CCIE Lab and Written Exam Question Format and
> Scoring
>
> Well there is not much detail so far imo. It would be nice for a sample
> question or two from Cisco. At least that way we could get a idea of how
> long the questions will take to answer, how much detail is required and
> maybe even how they are scored.
>
> If each question takes 5 minutes roughly, that's around 20-25 minutes .
> Will
> they be any changes to the amount of lab questions to compensate?
>
>
> I think its a good idea overall. We just need some more insight and
> details.
>
>
>
>
> 2009/1/14 Ravi Singh <way2ccie@googlemail.com>
>
> > Is this really needed ? I mean, there are instances when you just can't
> > theoretically explain a technology but given a console and a router ,
> > you can get it running like anything . I personally feel, it will divert
> > the
> > attention of a serious lab candidate to not just understand the
> technology
> > but also "mug up " words and theory which can show that you know the
> > technology. What's your say Group ?
> >
> > Ravi
> > On Wed, Jan 14, 2009 at 10:22 AM, hanan <nouran@skynet.be> wrote:
> >
> > > Question
> > > Will the short answer questions be added to the CCIE
blueprints?
> > How
> > > can I prepare (study) for the questions?
> > >
> > >
> > > Answer
> > > The short answer questions cover material already listed on the
> > CCIE
> > > lab exam blueprint. The questions are intended to be answered easily
> and
> > > quickly by well-prepared candidates.
> > >
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > >
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf
> Of
> > > syedraheel@gmail.com
> > > Sent: 14 January 2009 10:20
> > > To: ccielab@groupstudy.com
> > > Subject: Re: Changes to CCIE Lab and Written Exam Question Format and
> > > Scoring
> > >
> > > Will the doc cd be available for short Q/A as well?....and it seems
> that
> > > it
> > > will be written Q/A not face to face by the proctor?
> > >
> > >
> > > Blogs and organic groups at http://www.ccie.net
> > >
> > >
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