From: Adam Elghafri (ccie.adam@gmail.com)
Date: Mon Nov 24 2008 - 23:58:04 ARST
hi derby...
i understand what you are saying...but u got to understand me first...
i studied CCIE certificate as a "complement" to the master degree that i
couldnt go for... i didnt want to go to the job market with only B.Sc... i
wanted to start strong...
now i am not expecting to be hired with full CCIE salary.. there is no
way... but i need to get hired !!!!
what i said is i didnt get replies... did these companies interviewed me?
answer is no... all what i am asking is an interview to prove myself
so, IMHO ... job market in dubai right now is hell down.... much more than
anyone is expecting... resons are:
1. global financial crises and hire freeze
2. holidays period (chrismas and adha eid)
and btw... where r the links you talked about? i searched all ur posts in ur
blog in Network World !! no luck
lemme know
On 11/23/08, Darby Weaver <ccie.weaver@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Adam,
>
> I'm sorry I did not mean to imply that a person could simply pick up a few
> books, grab a copy of dynamips, find a copy of the suitable IOS, and work a
> few labs till they stuck, go and pass the lab and suddenly earn
> super-salaries.
>
> That is not quite the way it works. Not at all actually.
>
> I just posted some of the emails sent to me from recuiters lately. Now at
> the moment, I'm happily employed. However, my inbox gets inundated. So
> much that I had to reduce my own resume to just skills-sets that reflect
> what I am truly intrerested in today verus what I've done over my career.
>
> - Note: In almost all cases most people want a CCIE with 7-10+ years of
> experience in complex network environments and those that tend to pay the
> best actually want someone in their own vertical market. Yep. That's how
> the cookie crumbles.
>
> So I do not advocate going out buying Narbik's Workbook or another of the
> vendors super products and doing them till you are blue with a fresly
> installed copy of Dynamips and then expecting to just waltz in, pass the
> lab, and then become gainfully employed at $100k-300k ranges.
>
> It never seems to happen that way. Not in my experience.
>
> Instead it takes years of hard work, building massive social networks, and
> industry-networks, and basically putting in the hard time actually doing the
> job learning from the school of hard knocks. You gotta get in, make
> mistakes, learn methodologies, get used to presenting ideas and concepts to
> people who don't want to give you money or simply cannot, and work with
> people who have other preferences and win them over.... Lots of ways to get
> experience. Lots. Unfortunately there is no "Magic Bullet".
>
> A fresh college graduate who is bright and focused and able to attain a
> CCIE Certification is going to have a lot of advantages, but don't expect
> that the same prodigy is going to start being the trusted advisor of a
> 25-year or more Network Manager with little or no certifications how to run
> the network.
>
> It usually does not work that way.
>
> Not sure why exactly, but I'm pretty sure that's not how it happens. And
> by now, I've worked with, done work for, or actually
> work/contracted/consulted for a lot of companies... IBM, HP, GE,
> NBC/Universal Studios, General Mills, Smith Nephew Richards, City of
> Orlando, Sungard, tons of colleges, tons of pharmacies and clinics, lots of
> manufacturing companies, etc. Just way too many to name.... Financial
> companies, etc.
>
> So I've worked with or for a ton of places on their network in one capacity
> or another a lot of companies, I've negotiated with even more of them and I
> can tell you that most want and value solid experience and credentials the
> most.
>
> Certs and classes are nice. But it comes down to "did you do the job and
> how well you did the job not to mention how long you did the job".
>
> The saddest thing about certifications is that do not buy you years of
> experience.
>
> I can argue for the merits of certification programs as long as I can make
> my case here. I do not mean to be deceptive. I had just got off the phone
> about the Dubai/300k thing. A snapshot in time.
>
> I know it looks bleak if we are unemployed and looking for employment.
> However, we still need to be selective with regard to our employment
> efforts. Otherwise... we all feel the bullet as an industry.
>
> One guy works for 100k, the next guy works for 95k, the HR staff hear times
> are tough adn they haggle for 80k but find a down and out guy for 50k...
> see how things degrade.
>
> And what is worse is although there are 20,000 or so CCIE's in history...
>
> Lots of CCIE's drop out of the game entirely and may or may not keep the
> credentials.
>
> How many are trainers? How many run gas stations (I kid you not - I ran
> into two in one day... at the same station in Orlando)? How many are
> simply not in the market?
>
> You see a CCIE hold the aces, but has to have the rest of the toppings to
> make that perfect slice of PIZZA.
>
>
>
> Quote:
>
> -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> Now I feel a bit hopeless in getting a decent job in dubai coz of two major
> factors:
>
> - the global financial crisis where most multination companies r having
> hiring freeze.
> - ZERO years of experience :D
>
> ive started sending my cv everywhere the whole last month and I didn't get
> a
> reply from any company till the writing of this email wish me a good luck!
>
> Adam
> CCIE#22416
>
> On Sun, Nov 23, 2008 at 10:09 AM, Adam Elghafri <ccie.adam@gmail.com>wrote:
>
>>
>> Seriously though the salary rates are pretty nice in the Middle East right
>> now and they are "S-T-A-R-V-I-N-G" for CCIE's.
>>
>> easy derby... i am an english/arabic speaking CCIE looking for a job in
>> dubai a month ago with no SINGLE company replied to me !!!!
>>
>> i am S-T-A-R-V-I-N-G for a reply from any company :D
>>
>>
>>
>> On 11/19/08, Darby Weaver <ccie.weaver@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Seriously though the salary rates are pretty nice in the Middle East
>>> right
>>> now and they are "S-T-A-R-V-I-N-G" for CCIE's.
>>>
>>> Particularly for those who can obtain a security clearance.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Nov 18, 2008 at 4:27 PM, Muhammad Nasim <
>>> muhammad.nasim@gmail.com>wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> > Please NO need to come here we are fine here in Middle East : )
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > 2008/11/19 Darby Weaver <ccie.weaver@gmail.com>
>>> >
>>> > Just got a call...
>>> >>
>>> >> CCIE's are doing about $300,000.00 US in Dubai.
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> On Tue, Nov 18, 2008 at 5:59 AM, Shawn Zandi <szmetal@gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >> > lol
>>> >> >
>>> >> >
>>> >> > --
>>> >> > Sincerely,
>>> >> > Shawn Zandi
>>> >> > Routing, Switching & Security Consultant - CCIE
>>> >> > web: http://www.shafagh.com
>>> >> > email: shafagh@shafagh.com
>>> >> >
>>> >> >
>>> >> > Gary Duncanson to *Joseph*, Cisco
>>> >> > 8:53 PM (18 hours ago)
>>> >> > I have seen 50K in GBP. At today's exchange rate I think that's
>>> 75000
>>> >> > dollars.
>>> >> >
>>> >> > Cool.
>>> >> >
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