From: Darby Weaver (ccie.weaver@gmail.com)
Date: Mon Nov 24 2008 - 09:23:21 ARST
Exactly a person cannot use the logo. To mention passing a certain exam is
one thing since as I've shown it is in demand and is actively sought after.
However, that does not imply one can use the logo even though we all pretty
know the logo is useless without the accompanying digits, recruiters might
not be expected to know that.
I did have someone ask why I did not put my CSCO Number on my resume. I did
not think this was common practice. However after looking into it, it seems
it's about 50/50 - not quite but really hit or miss.
On Sun, Nov 23, 2008 at 8:28 PM, Scott Morris <
smorris@internetworkexpert.com> wrote:
> That would be more of a legal problem... Cisco isn't generally very happy
> with fraudulant use of their logos! And if they had the CCIE logo, but not
> passed the CCIE that would be pretty blatant!
>
> _____
>
> From: Narbik Kocharians [mailto:narbikk@gmail.com]
> Sent: Sunday, November 23, 2008 10:58 AM
> To: Richard L. Pickard
> Cc: Scott Morris; Gary Duncanson; Cisco certification
> Subject: Re: I am now CCIE written certified ( Best way for the lab)
>
>
> I think if they mention in their resume that they are pursuing CCIE and in
> the process they have completed the written portion of the cert, it will
> look different than when they say they are CCIE written, i saw a business
> card with "CCIE W" and the logo on it, and i thought he was CCIE Wireless,
> when i checked Cisco's site, i did not see CCIE Wireless, so when i asked
> him, he mentioned that he just passed the written.
> It was funny.
>
>
> On Sun, Nov 23, 2008 at 7:42 AM, Richard L. Pickard
> <nettable_walker@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> what you say is 100% correct. I have been looking over resume's & doing
> telephone screens for a high level position here at work. out of 25 "CCIE
> resume's" my boss gave me only 2 were actual CCIE's.
> The other 23 were had either passed the written or been to a "CCIE class"
> [whatever that is]. One guy even said he was a double CCIE -- turns out
> he
> passed the R/S written [1999] & the voice written [2007].
>
> I explained it to my boss this way --- ''I completed the CCVP in March &
> passed the CCIE voice written @ Networkers but I would not know a Call
> Manager if it hit me in the ----".
>
> ppl take a lot of liberties when it come to the certs they have.
>
>
> R
>
>
>
>
>
> --------------------------------------------------
> From: "Scott Morris" <swm@emanon.com>
> Sent: Sunday, November 23, 2008 8:57 AM
> To: "'Gary Duncanson'" <garyduncanson@btinternet.com>; "'Narbik
> Kocharians'"
> <narbikk@gmail.com>
>
> Cc: "'Cisco certification'" <ccielab@groupstudy.com>
>
> Subject: RE: I am now CCIE written certified ( Best way for the lab)
>
>
>
> Really? So if I go take the GRE exam, can I pass it off as Master's Degree
> - written?
>
> Yes, it's a great learning opportunity, but HOW it's portrayed can make a
> huge difference. Not all people who do this are inherently bad, but it's
> still not a certification! :)
>
> Scott
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
> Gary
> Duncanson
> Sent: Sunday, November 23, 2008 8:10 AM
> To: Narbik Kocharians
> Cc: Cisco certification
> Subject: Re: I am now CCIE written certified ( Best way for the lab)
>
> I agree. Anyone dumping the written is passing up an important learning
> opportunity. Passing it without tk and other rubbish requires a lot of
> effort on the part of the candidate.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Narbik Kocharians" <narbikk@gmail.com>
> To: "Scott M Vermillion" <scott_ccie_list@it-ag.com>
> Cc: "Atlanta CCIE" <atlantaccie@gmail.com>; <armylegionmedic@aol.com>;
> <joshuaatterbury@gmail.com>; <ccielab@groupstudy.com>
> Sent: Sunday, November 23, 2008 2:15 AM
> Subject: Re: I am now CCIE written certified ( Best way for the lab)
>
>
>
>
> I give the written
> its full due respect and recognize the level of effort and dedication
> required to pass it legitimately
>
> THE KEYWORD IS *LEGITIMATELY*
>
> On Sat, Nov 22, 2008 at 6:05 PM, Scott M Vermillion <
> scott_ccie_list@it-ag.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> And just for the record (again, for whatever it's worth), I give the
> written its full due respect and recognize the level of effort and
> dedication required to pass it legitimately. I'm in the final phases
> of preparing to do just that for recertification purposes as we
> speak. So back to my studies.
>
>
>
>
>
> From: Scott M Vermillion [mailto:scott_ccie_list@it-ag.com]
> Sent: Saturday, November 22, 2008 6:52 PM
> To: 'Atlanta CCIE'; 'armylegionmedic@aol.com'
> Cc: 'joshuaatterbury@gmail.com'; 'ccielab@groupstudy.com'
> Subject: RE: I am now CCIE written certified ( Best way for the lab)
>
>
>
> I'm guessing you use this yourselves then, eh gents? ;-)
>
>
>
> Look, I'm not going to be dragged into a flame war with language like
> "ignorance at it's best"(notice the inappropriate - some might even say
> ignorant - use of the apostrophe there, LOL!). I simply stated what my
> practice was when interviewing and hiring was part of my daily job
> description. You don't have to get ugly with me over it. I don't flame
> people on this list for making statements about their beliefs or hiring
> practices or much of anything else. Why should you? Because you're
> hiding
> behind an alias and you can just let the flamethrower go at will? OK,
> whatever. But take note of the fact that there's at least one guy out
> there
> who considers this to be deceptive and silly and will not approve you for
> an
> interview if he sees it in your resume or in any of your communications.
> Can't believe I'm all alone in that regard, so just consider it a public
> service message for the benefit of those with open ears and minds.
>
>
>
> And I don't think it's the least bit "harsh," personally. You deceive
> people (HR types, recruiters, etc) who don't have the insight to know the
> difference. I gave a specific example of that happening. If you want to
> tell me you passed the written, that's easy to do without the use of a
> non-existent title.
>
>
>
> Scott
>
> "Someone who NEVER once used CCIE in his resume, profile, or signature
> block
> until AFTER he passed the lab (a.k.a #19953, a.k.a Scott (1))"
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> From: Atlanta CCIE [mailto:atlantaccie@gmail.com]
> Sent: Saturday, November 22, 2008 5:20 PM
> To: armylegionmedic@aol.com
> Cc: scott_ccie_list@it-ag.com; joshuaatterbury@gmail.com;
> ccielab@groupstudy.com
> Subject: Re: I am now CCIE written certified ( Best way for the lab)
>
>
>
> Gotta agree with you. Person is NOT claiming that he is a CCIE. I think
> you
> have got to mention that you have passed CCIE Written and are scheduled
> to
> attempt the lab. Throwing the resume out just because it says CCIE
> Written
> is just ignorance at it's best.
>
>
>
> Now if it said CCIE with no ccie# then that's a different story :)
>
> On Sat, Nov 22, 2008 at 6:37 PM, <armylegionmedic@aol.com> wrote:
>
> I would have to say that is a bit harsh. As the CCIE Written is a great
> accomplishment as are all level exams that you pass with Cisco. Now, if
> someone said they were CCIE then had to reclearify and my favorite to
> hear
> is well, Im CCIE Theory, so its a form of CCIE. Then I would have to
> agree
> with you. Also, I feel it is important for someone to list if they have
> at
> least accomplished the written as it shows they are making the effort
> towards and IE. Many people are happy at the professional level and have
> no
> desire to extend or progress past that. When someone shows they have
> passed
> the written, it shows they are at least making the effort to achieve more
> and greater in their career.
>
> Just my soap box speak, thats all. I will step down now.
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Scott M Vermillion <scott_ccie_list@it-ag.com>
> To: 'joshua atterbury' <joshuaatterbury@gmail.com>
> Cc: 'Cisco certification' <ccielab@groupstudy.com>
> Sent: Sat, 22 Nov 2008 3:12 pm
> Subject: RE: I am now CCIE written certified ( Best way for the lab)
>
>
>
> Back in my "corporate" days, I would immediately reject any resume that
> included the words "CCIE written" anywhere (and this was long before I
> had
> a
> number or ever thought that I would). That just speaks to a certain
> deceptiveness that should turn you off from any prospective job
> candidate,
> no matter how seemingly qualified. So it really harms the people trying
> to
> pull this off more than anyone. But the sad truth is that people are
> definitely fooled by this. A few months back I had a recruiter call and
> I
> had to turn him down right away because I was already overloaded. He
> called
> me back later that day to ask if I'd be willing to advise him on what a
> "CCIE written" was, as he had somebody's resume with that "certification
> level" and wanted to know my thoughts as to how qualified this person
> might
> be for the project. I told him that it would be impossible to say on
> that
> basis alone, considering that some true CCIEs aren't altogether too
> capable
> and many non-CCIEs are freakin' geniuses. But I did share my thoughts as
> to
> what it might say about that person's *integrity.*
>
> For whatever that's worth.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
> joshua atterbury
> Sent: Friday, November 21, 2008 7:31 PM
> To: Narbik Kocharians
> Cc: Jonny English; Mark Sh; Cisco certification
> Subject: Re: I am now CCIE written certified ( Best way for the lab)
>
> Maybe this guy has passed his written and is now studying for the lab.
> Unfortunately I have heard people reference themselves as a "Written
> CCIE"
> ie passed written but not lab..... terrible stuff.
>
> On Sat, Nov 22, 2008 at 12:39 PM, Narbik Kocharians
> <narbikk@gmail.com>wrote:
>
> > ??
> >
> > On Fri, Nov 21, 2008 at 5:10 PM, Jonny English
> > <redkidneybeans@gmail.com
> > >wrote:
> >
> > > what?
> > >
> > > why the heck do you want to sit the lab if you are a CCIE already?
> > >
> > > On Sat, Nov 22, 2008 at 2:01 PM, Mark Sh <cciegroupst@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > >
> > > > Dear All,
> > > >
> > > > I am a CCIE almost 1 month ago and I want to start studying f
> or the
> lab
> > > ..
> > > >
> > > > what is the best practice to do it (scheduled on march 30th, > > >
> 2009).
> > would
> > > > you please guide me in the way to get it ..
> > > >
> > > > I can get 2 months leave from the company before the lab exam..
> > > >
> > > > I appreciate your cooperation and guidance ..
> > > >
> > > > Mark
> > > >
> > > >
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