From: Narbik Kocharians (narbikk@gmail.com)
Date: Sun Nov 23 2008 - 00:15:37 ARST
I give the written
its full due respect and recognize the level of effort and dedication
required to pass it legitimately
THE KEYWORD IS *LEGITIMATELY*
On Sat, Nov 22, 2008 at 6:05 PM, Scott M Vermillion <
scott_ccie_list@it-ag.com> wrote:
> And just for the record (again, for whatever it's worth), I give the
> written
> its full due respect and recognize the level of effort and dedication
> required to pass it legitimately. I'm in the final phases of preparing to
> do just that for recertification purposes as we speak. So back to my
> studies.
>
>
>
>
>
> From: Scott M Vermillion [mailto:scott_ccie_list@it-ag.com]
> Sent: Saturday, November 22, 2008 6:52 PM
> To: 'Atlanta CCIE'; 'armylegionmedic@aol.com'
> Cc: 'joshuaatterbury@gmail.com'; 'ccielab@groupstudy.com'
> Subject: RE: I am now CCIE written certified ( Best way for the lab)
>
>
>
> I'm guessing you use this yourselves then, eh gents? ;-)
>
>
>
> Look, I'm not going to be dragged into a flame war with language like
> "ignorance at it's best"(notice the inappropriate - some might even say
> ignorant - use of the apostrophe there, LOL!). I simply stated what my
> practice was when interviewing and hiring was part of my daily job
> description. You don't have to get ugly with me over it. I don't flame
> people on this list for making statements about their beliefs or hiring
> practices or much of anything else. Why should you? Because you're hiding
> behind an alias and you can just let the flamethrower go at will? OK,
> whatever. But take note of the fact that there's at least one guy out
> there
> who considers this to be deceptive and silly and will not approve you for
> an
> interview if he sees it in your resume or in any of your communications.
> Can't believe I'm all alone in that regard, so just consider it a public
> service message for the benefit of those with open ears and minds.
>
>
>
> And I don't think it's the least bit "harsh," personally. You deceive
> people (HR types, recruiters, etc) who don't have the insight to know the
> difference. I gave a specific example of that happening. If you want to
> tell me you passed the written, that's easy to do without the use of a
> non-existent title.
>
>
>
> Scott
>
> "Someone who NEVER once used CCIE in his resume, profile, or signature
> block
> until AFTER he passed the lab (a.k.a #19953, a.k.a Scott (1))"
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> From: Atlanta CCIE [mailto:atlantaccie@gmail.com]
> Sent: Saturday, November 22, 2008 5:20 PM
> To: armylegionmedic@aol.com
> Cc: scott_ccie_list@it-ag.com; joshuaatterbury@gmail.com;
> ccielab@groupstudy.com
> Subject: Re: I am now CCIE written certified ( Best way for the lab)
>
>
>
> Gotta agree with you. Person is NOT claiming that he is a CCIE. I think you
> have got to mention that you have passed CCIE Written and are scheduled to
> attempt the lab. Throwing the resume out just because it says CCIE Written
> is just ignorance at it's best.
>
>
>
> Now if it said CCIE with no ccie# then that's a different story :)
>
> On Sat, Nov 22, 2008 at 6:37 PM, <armylegionmedic@aol.com> wrote:
>
> I would have to say that is a bit harsh. As the CCIE Written is a great
> accomplishment as are all level exams that you pass with Cisco. Now, if
> someone said they were CCIE then had to reclearify and my favorite to hear
> is well, Im CCIE Theory, so its a form of CCIE. Then I would have to agree
> with you. Also, I feel it is important for someone to list if they have at
> least accomplished the written as it shows they are making the effort
> towards and IE. Many people are happy at the professional level and have no
> desire to extend or progress past that. When someone shows they have passed
> the written, it shows they are at least making the effort to achieve more
> and greater in their career.
>
> Just my soap box speak, thats all. I will step down now.
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Scott M Vermillion <scott_ccie_list@it-ag.com>
> To: 'joshua atterbury' <joshuaatterbury@gmail.com>
> Cc: 'Cisco certification' <ccielab@groupstudy.com>
> Sent: Sat, 22 Nov 2008 3:12 pm
> Subject: RE: I am now CCIE written certified ( Best way for the lab)
>
>
>
> Back in my "corporate" days, I would immediately reject any resume that
> included the words "CCIE written" anywhere (and this was long before I had
> a
> number or ever thought that I would). That just speaks to a certain
> deceptiveness that should turn you off from any prospective job candidate,
> no matter how seemingly qualified. So it really harms the people trying to
> pull this off more than anyone. But the sad truth is that people are
> definitely fooled by this. A few months back I had a recruiter call and I
> had to turn him down right away because I was already overloaded. He
> called
> me back later that day to ask if I'd be willing to advise him on what a
> "CCIE written" was, as he had somebody's resume with that "certification
> level" and wanted to know my thoughts as to how qualified this person might
> be for the project. I told him that it would be impossible to say on that
> basis alone, considering that some true CCIEs aren't altogether too capable
> and many non-CCIEs are freakin' geniuses. But I did share my thoughts as
> to
> what it might say about that person's *integrity.*
>
> For whatever that's worth.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
> joshua atterbury
> Sent: Friday, November 21, 2008 7:31 PM
> To: Narbik Kocharians
> Cc: Jonny English; Mark Sh; Cisco certification
> Subject: Re: I am now CCIE written certified ( Best way for the lab)
>
> Maybe this guy has passed his written and is now studying for the lab.
> Unfortunately I have heard people reference themselves as a "Written
> CCIE"
> ie passed written but not lab..... terrible stuff.
>
> On Sat, Nov 22, 2008 at 12:39 PM, Narbik Kocharians
> <narbikk@gmail.com>wrote:
>
> > ??
> >
> > On Fri, Nov 21, 2008 at 5:10 PM, Jonny English <redkidneybeans@gmail.com
> > >wrote:
> >
> > > what?
> > >
> > > why the heck do you want to sit the lab if you are a CCIE already?
> > >
> > > On Sat, Nov 22, 2008 at 2:01 PM, Mark Sh <cciegroupst@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > >
> > > > Dear All,
> > > >
> > > > I am a CCIE almost 1 month ago and I want to start studying f
> or the
> lab
> > > ..
> > > >
> > > > what is the best practice to do it (scheduled on march 30th, 2009).
> > would
> > > > you please guide me in the way to get it ..
> > > >
> > > > I can get 2 months leave from the company before the lab exam..
> > > >
> > > > I appreciate your cooperation and guidance ..
> > > >
> > > > Mark
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Blogs and organic groups at http://www.ccie.net
> > > >
> > > >
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> > >
> > >
> > > --
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> > >
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