From: Andrew Dempsey (apdccie@gmail.com)
Date: Thu Nov 20 2008 - 19:45:41 ARST
The couple of guys I know that have it its a get it and BS the rest of the
requirements certification. I hope it is not like this on the whole as my
experience is extremely anecdotal, but this is what I have seen.
On Thu, Nov 20, 2008 at 9:35 AM, Rik Guyler <rik@guyler.net> wrote:
> It's been awhile since I looked at this one but I recall there being an
> annual education requirement also so it's not just a get it and forget it
> certification.
>
> CISSP is good for understanding the *soft* issues of security so for a
> consultant, manager, information security officer it's a good thing. For
> an Engineer though, it won't cover the hands-on details.
>
> Rik
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
> Matthew Long
> Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2008 4:10 AM
> To: Cisco certification
> Subject: RE: OT What do you all think about CISSP certification?
>
> I have been considering the CISSP on an off for some time, I look at it
> as an option and as a large percentage of my work is security
> consultancy it is useful to have the weight of a CISSP to sit along with
> a CCIE. It also has the advantage of being a cert which is not tied to a
> vendor take a look at
> "http://www.networkworld.com/news/2008/111708-cisco-sec.html" .
>
> As to the ability to cheat, yes the CISSP is a written (I haven't sat it
> yet) but from what I have heard there is quite a bit of interpretation
> required for the exam questions. It's not like pass4suring your CCNA.
>
> And once you have passed your exam you have to be endorsed:
> "Once a candidate has been notified they have successfully passed the
> CISSP examination, he or she will be required to have his or her
> application endorsed before the credential can be awarded.
>
> The endorser attests that the candidate's assertions regarding
> professional experience are true to the best of their knowledge, and
> that the candidate is in good standing within the information security
> industry."
> http://www.isc2.org/endorsement.aspx
>
> Now I not saying the endorsement isn't fool proof, but, how many R&S
> jockeys have won their spurs in the real world and how many are sat
> tapping away on a dynamips lab?
>
> You pays you money and takes your choice.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
> Pavel Bykov
> Sent: 18 November 2008 23:01
> To: Darby Weaver
> Cc: darth router; Duncan Maccubbin; Cisco certification
> Subject: Re: OT What do you all think about CISSP certification?
>
> One of the reasons CCIE has held up in high ranks over all those years
> is
> the thorough practical part, which inherently filters out paper-boys, or
> certifications where people can cheat using TK, Pass4Sure, etc.
> CISSP does not have that, and as far as I know, has only theoretical
> part to
> it.
> Therefore it could have value HR-wise now, but weight of the cert it is
> directly offseted by it's demand and amount of people cheating their way
> to
> it.
>
>
>
> On Tue, Nov 18, 2008 at 10:28 PM, Darby Weaver
> <ccie.weaver@gmail.com>wrote:
>
> > All,
> >
> > I've seen a lot of demand for the CISSP.
> >
> > It's not that hard from a technical perspective but it is broad and
> does
> > require a little time to study for it.
> >
> > It has its place and some people with the CISSP are commanding greater
> > salaries than a CCIE.
> >
> > But recall the CISSP is not assumed to have any specific knowledge of
> > either
> > a PIX/ASA nor Cisco.
> >
> > It's a generalist certification very similar to the SANS GSEC.
> >
> > If you want to work in a Security capacity it's kind of assumed to be
> > there.
> >
> > So not a bad $500.00 or so investment for the exam or maybe
> $4500-5000.00
> > for a class.
> >
> > Cheaper than a CCIE for sure.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Mon, Nov 17, 2008 at 4:28 PM, darth router
> <darklordrouter@gmail.com
> > >wrote:
> >
> > > Good conversation. I've seen it as a DoD contract requirement
> before. I'd
> > > probably look at it as a resume booster, but I do have to admit,
> there
> > was
> > > good material with what I did read over, just boring, and not action
> > packed
> > > like working on cisco gear!
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On Mon, Nov 17, 2008 at 6:53 AM, Duncan Maccubbin <
> > > duncan.maccubbin@earthlink.net> wrote:
> > >
> > > > How much did your CCIE teach you about Physical data center
> security?
> > > > Disaster recovery? Law? While it didn't go into deep detail I
> still
> > > learned
> > > > quit a bit. The CISSP is what it is which is not a vendor specific
> > hands
> > > on
> > > > exam.
> > > >
> > > > "But to each is own... I worked at a company where like 5 people
> got
> > the
> > > > CISSP. None of them could configure even the basic stuff on a
> pix... so
> > > what
> > > > does that tell you???"
> > > >
> > > > It tells me you have no clue what the CISSP exam is about.
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > >From: Joseph Brunner <joe@affirmedsystems.com>
> > > > >Sent: Nov 17, 2008 10:41 AM
> > > > >To: "'Diment, Andrew'" <Andrew.Diment@qwest.com>, 'darth router'
> <
> > > > darklordrouter@gmail.com>, 'Cisco certification' <
> > ccielab@groupstudy.com
> > > >
> > > > >Subject: RE: OT What do you all think about CISSP certification?
> > > > >
> > > > >Right, I agree "knowledge is never useless"
> > > > >
> > > > >There is better security knowledge for today's re-aligned world
> in the
> > > > >CCNA-SEC
> > > > >
> > > > >I wouldn't even say the CISSP is an inch deep... it's about a
> > millimeter
> > > > >deep, that's why I think its worthless. The CCIE written's are an
> inch
> > > > deep.
> > > > >
> > > > >But to each is own... I worked at a company where like 5 people
> got
> > the
> > > > >CISSP. None of them could configure even the basic stuff on a
> pix...
> > so
> > > > what
> > > > >does that tell you???
> > > > >
> > > > >-Joe
> > > > >
> > > > >-----Original Message-----
> > > > >From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On
> Behalf
> > Of
> > > > >Diment, Andrew
> > > > >Sent: Monday, November 17, 2008 10:26 AM
> > > > >To: Joseph Brunner; darth router; Cisco certification
> > > > >Subject: RE: OT What do you all think about CISSP certification?
> > > > >
> > > > >I don't agree with your assessment that the CISSP is useless.
> Does it
> > > > >teach you to configure a firewall...no, but neither does a
> college
> > > > >degree. Would you consider that useless too? Knowledge is never
> > > > >useless.
> > > > >
> > > > >You just need to take it for what it is, a 50,000 foot view of
> all
> > > > >aspects of security. A mile wide and an inch deep. By itself it
> > might
> > > > >not mean much, but it does show you went through the material and
> > passed
> > > > >the test. Anything, and I mean anything, that will move your
> resume
> > to
> > > > >the "interview" pile is very useful.
> > > > >
> > > > >I very recently applied for a security job within my own company.
> I
> > got
> > > > >a call from HR and the guys exact words were "you have a CCIE and
> a
> > > > >CISSP, I'm going to immediately forward your resume to the hiring
> > > > >manager". I had an interview 24 hours later.
> > > > >
> > > > >Andy
> > > > >
> > > > >-----Original Message-----
> > > > >From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On
> Behalf
> > Of
> > > > >Joseph Brunner
> > > > >Sent: Monday, November 17, 2008 8:39 AM
> > > > >To: 'darth router'; 'Cisco certification'
> > > > >Subject: RE: OT What do you all think about CISSP certification?
> > > > >
> > > > >OT is right.. search the archives...
> > > > >
> > > > >My thoughts - useless, now more than ever...
> > > > >
> > > > >Its bad in IT right now unless you can configure a firewall, not
> tell
> > us
> > > > >we should have one. Unless you can configure a lockdown of a
> voice
> > over
> > > > >ip network, not tell us we should lock down our voice over ip
> network.
> > > > >Get it?
> > > > >
> > > > >The CISSP is heavy on theory, but not many places have time for
> > theories
> > > > >any more... they are running their budgets on empty until at
> least
> > 2011.
> > > > >Its time to roll up your sleeves and hit the datacenter.
> > > > >
> > > > >-Joe
> > > > >
> > > > >-----Original Message-----
> > > > >From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On
> Behalf
> > Of
> > > > >darth router
> > > > >Sent: Sunday, November 16, 2008 8:58 PM
> > > > >To: Cisco certification
> > > > >Subject: OT What do you all think about CISSP certification?
> > > > >
> > > > >Anyone have it? Does it bring any real value to your career?
> > > > >
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