Re: OT What do you all think about CISSP certification?

From: Muhammad Nasim (muhammad.nasim@gmail.com)
Date: Tue Nov 18 2008 - 19:38:46 ARST

One thing is really bugging me these days is to decide what should I do
after doing CCIE SEC (Alhumdulilah)

I am seeing guys are rushing for 2nd CCIE like most of them are going for
CCIE voice.

Mentally and from my heart if one is not doing Voice in his daily office
work. What is the worth of passing the exams with out having hands on of
the Technology.

I know that one can do hands on remote racks and on virtual racks BUT if
someone is not doing the work practically what would be the worth for it.

Should i assume that there is really really NOT worth of Practical hands on
(or there are very few places where HANDS ON COUNTS) just what you need to
is to get the certs and that's it and your salary will be increased and you
will get more benefits this and that.

To be honest I myself can not say that I am an expert in Security becasue it
is a DEEP ocean. Even I can not make myself ready for CISSP because I think
that I am doing CISSP KIND OF JOB.

It is really frustrating to see that people are going and jumping for other
CCIE tracks even they did not justify with first track (both technology,
theory and product wise)

I am sorry for the OT but it is really bugging me.

Thanks

2008/11/19 Darby Weaver <ccie.weaver@gmail.com>

> All,
>
> I've seen a lot of demand for the CISSP.
>
> It's not that hard from a technical perspective but it is broad and does
> require a little time to study for it.
>
> It has its place and some people with the CISSP are commanding greater
> salaries than a CCIE.
>
> But recall the CISSP is not assumed to have any specific knowledge of
> either
> a PIX/ASA nor Cisco.
>
> It's a generalist certification very similar to the SANS GSEC.
>
> If you want to work in a Security capacity it's kind of assumed to be
> there.
>
> So not a bad $500.00 or so investment for the exam or maybe $4500-5000.00
> for a class.
>
> Cheaper than a CCIE for sure.
>
>
>
>
> On Mon, Nov 17, 2008 at 4:28 PM, darth router <darklordrouter@gmail.com
> >wrote:
>
> > Good conversation. I've seen it as a DoD contract requirement before. I'd
> > probably look at it as a resume booster, but I do have to admit, there
> was
> > good material with what I did read over, just boring, and not action
> packed
> > like working on cisco gear!
> >
> >
> >
> > On Mon, Nov 17, 2008 at 6:53 AM, Duncan Maccubbin <
> > duncan.maccubbin@earthlink.net> wrote:
> >
> > > How much did your CCIE teach you about Physical data center security?
> > > Disaster recovery? Law? While it didn't go into deep detail I still
> > learned
> > > quit a bit. The CISSP is what it is which is not a vendor specific
> hands
> > on
> > > exam.
> > >
> > > "But to each is own... I worked at a company where like 5 people got
> the
> > > CISSP. None of them could configure even the basic stuff on a pix... so
> > what
> > > does that tell you???"
> > >
> > > It tells me you have no clue what the CISSP exam is about.
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > >From: Joseph Brunner <joe@affirmedsystems.com>
> > > >Sent: Nov 17, 2008 10:41 AM
> > > >To: "'Diment, Andrew'" <Andrew.Diment@qwest.com>, 'darth router' <
> > > darklordrouter@gmail.com>, 'Cisco certification' <
> ccielab@groupstudy.com
> > >
> > > >Subject: RE: OT What do you all think about CISSP certification?
> > > >
> > > >Right, I agree "knowledge is never useless"
> > > >
> > > >There is better security knowledge for today's re-aligned world in the
> > > >CCNA-SEC
> > > >
> > > >I wouldn't even say the CISSP is an inch deep... it's about a
> millimeter
> > > >deep, that's why I think its worthless. The CCIE written's are an inch
> > > deep.
> > > >
> > > >But to each is own... I worked at a company where like 5 people got
> the
> > > >CISSP. None of them could configure even the basic stuff on a pix...
> so
> > > what
> > > >does that tell you???
> > > >
> > > >-Joe
> > > >
> > > >-----Original Message-----
> > > >From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf
> Of
> > > >Diment, Andrew
> > > >Sent: Monday, November 17, 2008 10:26 AM
> > > >To: Joseph Brunner; darth router; Cisco certification
> > > >Subject: RE: OT What do you all think about CISSP certification?
> > > >
> > > >I don't agree with your assessment that the CISSP is useless. Does it
> > > >teach you to configure a firewall...no, but neither does a college
> > > >degree. Would you consider that useless too? Knowledge is never
> > > >useless.
> > > >
> > > >You just need to take it for what it is, a 50,000 foot view of all
> > > >aspects of security. A mile wide and an inch deep. By itself it
> might
> > > >not mean much, but it does show you went through the material and
> passed
> > > >the test. Anything, and I mean anything, that will move your resume
> to
> > > >the "interview" pile is very useful.
> > > >
> > > >I very recently applied for a security job within my own company. I
> got
> > > >a call from HR and the guys exact words were "you have a CCIE and a
> > > >CISSP, I'm going to immediately forward your resume to the hiring
> > > >manager". I had an interview 24 hours later.
> > > >
> > > >Andy
> > > >
> > > >-----Original Message-----
> > > >From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf
> Of
> > > >Joseph Brunner
> > > >Sent: Monday, November 17, 2008 8:39 AM
> > > >To: 'darth router'; 'Cisco certification'
> > > >Subject: RE: OT What do you all think about CISSP certification?
> > > >
> > > >OT is right.. search the archives...
> > > >
> > > >My thoughts - useless, now more than ever...
> > > >
> > > >Its bad in IT right now unless you can configure a firewall, not tell
> us
> > > >we should have one. Unless you can configure a lockdown of a voice
> over
> > > >ip network, not tell us we should lock down our voice over ip network.
> > > >Get it?
> > > >
> > > >The CISSP is heavy on theory, but not many places have time for
> theories
> > > >any more... they are running their budgets on empty until at least
> 2011.
> > > >Its time to roll up your sleeves and hit the datacenter.
> > > >
> > > >-Joe
> > > >
> > > >-----Original Message-----
> > > >From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf
> Of
> > > >darth router
> > > >Sent: Sunday, November 16, 2008 8:58 PM
> > > >To: Cisco certification
> > > >Subject: OT What do you all think about CISSP certification?
> > > >
> > > >Anyone have it? Does it bring any real value to your career?
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Muhammad Nasim
Network Engineer
Saudi Arabia

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