From: Jonny English (redkidneybeans@gmail.com)
Date: Thu Nov 13 2008 - 21:48:12 ARST
Problem is you have to suck up if you want to keep a job. Its the way life
works. I saw this at my last company. Those who sucked up, got promoted,
even if they did absolutely no work. There was a saying at my last company,
do less work to get promoted.
It was unbelievable what people got away with.
On Fri, Nov 14, 2008 at 12:28 PM, Pavel Bykov <slidersv@gmail.com> wrote:
> Joseph, all you pointers are a basic subset of rhetoric manipulation. And
> they accomplish exactly what their purpose is: manipulate environment to
> your advantage, be it due to personal qualities, image actualization or
> visibility. Like increasing your attractiveness to employer and creating
> impressions.
>
> But for what it's worth, it all comes down to what a person wants. If job
> for me is more important then who I am, then I would alter my personality,
> habits, and basically suck it up. Maybe step by step we will get to the
> points of Eastern companies where employees sign company's hymn every
> morning and their loyalty to the company is endless (there are really many
> companies like that)
>
> I, for one, much rather get fired then to turn away from personal
> development. For me, the company is a place where you should be enabled to
> grow your potential, constantly learn, realize your skills and be involved
> in evolving networking fabric that connect so many people. Maybe get some
> money on the side. Company is a way, not the goal. Also this way the
> employer hires real me, not flashy presentation which we are too accustomed
> to. I knew people that held high consultant positions just because of
> manipulations you are talking about.
>
>
>
>
> On Thu, Nov 13, 2008 at 10:44 PM, Joseph Brunner <joe@affirmedsystems.com>wrote:
>
>> As the owner of my own company the best advice I can give to the self and
>> the fulltime staff here for staying working in these tough times is-
>>
>>
>> 1. Don't be afraid to do other things. At first I resisted doing MS
>> Exchange, Active Directory, scripting, etc. The most valuable "jack" often
>> has to be a master of more than one trade.
>>
>> 2. Make yourself visible. I don't mean bring the boss or the director an
>> apple :) but jump on issues, be aggressive. If is a 10 second discussion
>> in
>> the hallway, or the unexpected proposal you drop on someone's desk and
>> they
>> just read it on the way home on the train; its one more thing that let's
>> people know you are a good investment.
>>
>>
>> 3. Don't brag. 2 people can brag; Carlos Slim Helu and Nathan Rothschild
>> III. The rest of us have to work in the trenches and see how it turns out.
>> Don't tell someone you know something don't. Show them. You'll win more
>> friends with small mouth (especially in these times).
>>
>>
>> 4. Don't Lie. Most people can see right through your lies, even if their
>> just little white lies. You must tell the truth. You will be judged by
>> your
>> boss, and your co-workers and they must trust you.
>>
>>
>> 5. Be dependable. If you say 8am that means 7:50am. That does not mean
>> 8:15am or 9:00am. If you are the guy in the bunch that is the most
>> on-time,
>> the most reliable it will be an easy choice when the boss gets told he has
>> to make some staff cuts. Believe me on this one.
>>
>>
>> 6. And last, Be social. Most top executives and bosses will take the
>> average
>> guy who tells users and fellow staff members what he is doing, why he is
>> doing it and how it will work over the "genius in the corner". The genius
>> in
>> the corner is of course the guy you want on "show ip route eigrp",
>> "show ip eigrp top all" & "show run | inc interface|access-group|ip
>> route".
>> I know it's hard for some of us. When our hot little brains get going, why
>> would we want to even look at someone with an IQ 25% lowers than ours and
>> let them know why we just did something... but believe me. I call them the
>> "jocks with the checks" who pay our bills. And they want the guy on their
>> team who is nice to work with. Period.
>>
>>
>> -Joe
>> Whole Unabridged Male #19366
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
>> Jonny English
>> Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 4:05 PM
>> To: Larry
>> Cc: Darby Weaver; Cisco certification
>> Subject: Re: Job Cuts
>>
>> you really think ccie is going to keep jobs safe? The company I work for
>> are
>> getting rid of consultants, probably me too from what was said and keeping
>> graduates which i found odd. I was really confused when they told us.
>>
>> I guess the best thing to do is work for a gold partner or something :)
>>
>> On Fri, Nov 14, 2008 at 3:15 AM, Larry <cc13lab@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> > lots of 1st/2nd level engineers being outsourced at large service
>> providers
>> > (att, verizon etc) leading to layoffs. going to be a growing trend as we
>> can
>> > pay an engineer with a ccnp and 2+ years of experience the equivalant of
>> 12K
>> > per year overseas.... customers don't really seem to care as long as the
>> > price of the service is right... only way to beat this, get your ccie!
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > On Thu, Nov 13, 2008 at 9:08 AM, Darby Weaver
>> <ccie.weaver@gmail.com>wrote:
>> >
>> >> Which country or state?
>> >>
>> >> On Wed, Nov 12, 2008 at 10:41 PM, Jonny English <
>> redkidneybeans@gmail.com
>> >> >wrote:
>> >>
>> >> > Hi,
>> >> >
>> >> > Anyone experiencing layoffs at the moment?
>> >> >
>> >> > Are things getting bad for anyone. The company I work for are laying
>> off
>> >> > people due to the recession. I'm trying to see how bad things are out
>> >> there
>> >> > so I can see how tough it would be to get a job.
>> >> >
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