From: Andrew Dempsey (apdccie@gmail.com)
Date: Wed Nov 05 2008 - 23:03:35 ARST
I think you could find quite a few people who could memorize the exam if
their main goal for the eight hours was to memorize the exam.
On Wed, Nov 5, 2008 at 7:34 PM, Nate Cielieska <ncielieska@gmail.com> wrote:
> I was watched constantly and i couldnt leave with any document so that
> would
> be extremely tough, if you shoved something down your pants or up your
> shirt
> they would know. Not to mention how they rotate these exams.. it must be
> different out of the US, or like i said proctors/employees are
> swiping/copying exams and distributing for top dollar.
>
> Nate
> On Wed, Nov 5, 2008 at 6:43 PM, Felix Nkansah <felixnkansah@gmail.com
> >wrote:
>
> > But what is the use if the candidate coming in already had access to all
> > the lab questions he was coming to yet 'see'?
> > Cisco's main focus should be on preventing CCIE braindumps; stripping
> > candidates naked and secluding them in single-person cells during their
> > takes would still not help with the proliferation of CCNA -level CCIEs.
> >
> >
> > On Wed, Nov 5, 2008 at 10:06 PM, Nate Cielieska <ncielieska@gmail.com
> >wrote:
> >
> >> Joe,
> >>
> >> That is funny... I know the CCIE is serious business but geeze... The
> >> actually had me remove a "coffee stir" that day from my pockets.. thats
> >> when
> >> i knew it was serious business.
> >>
> >> Nate
> >>
> >> On Wed, Nov 5, 2008 at 4:59 PM, Joseph Brunner <joe@affirmedsystems.com
> >> >wrote:
> >>
> >> > They had us leave watches at the door once... some yahoo brought in a
> >> USB
> >> > watch with answers he somehow tried to load on the rickety old pc's
> >> >
> >> > Use your imagination... that little earbud Tom Cruise wears in Mission
> >> > Impossible... next Cisco will need white/pink noise proof windows
> >> >
> >> > LOL
> >> >
> >> > -Joe
> >> >
> >> > -----Original Message-----
> >> > From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf
> Of
> >> > Nate
> >> > Cielieska
> >> > Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2008 4:57 PM
> >> > To: David Prall
> >> > Cc: Pamela Pinero; Brad Ellis; Scott Morris; Cisco certification
> >> > Subject: Re: CCDE Study Materials
> >> >
> >> > Other than an in-test source (ie proctor, employee) i'm not sure how
> you
> >> > cheat at the Lab exam.. they watch you like a hawk at RTP. Maybe other
> >> > locations are different.
> >> >
> >> > Regards,
> >> > Nate Cielieska
> >> > CCIE #21955
> >> >
> >> > On Wed, Nov 5, 2008 at 4:16 PM, David Prall <dcp@dcptech.com> wrote:
> >> >
> >> > > No one has passed the Beta Lab as of yet. Would it really matter if
> >> they
> >> > > had. Hopefully they are teaching per the blueprint, and using some
> >> real
> >> > > world examples, and not actual content.
> >> > >
> >> > > David
> >> > >
> >> > > --
> >> > > http://dcp.dcptech.com
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > > > -----Original Message-----
> >> > > > From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On
> >> Behalf
> >> > Of
> >> > > > Pamela Pinero
> >> > > > Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2008 12:17 PM
> >> > > > To: 'Brad Ellis'; 'Scott Morris'; 'Cisco certification'
> >> > > > Subject: RE: CCDE Study Materials
> >> > > >
> >> > > > Who is teaching your class? Did your instructor pass the beta lab?
> >> > > >
> >> > > > -----Original Message-----
> >> > > > From: Brad Ellis [mailto:brad@ccbootcamp.com]
> >> > > > Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2008 7:51 PM
> >> > > > To: Scott Morris; pampinero@gmail.com; Cisco certification
> >> > > > Subject: RE: CCDE Study Materials
> >> > > >
> >> > > > Scott - I suppose you could say that's true for every Cisco
> >> > > > certification - look at the blueprint! That's were the exam
> >> questions
> >> > > > come from. :)
> >> > > >
> >> > > > For our CCDE boot camp there are specific topics that we focus on.
> >> The
> >> > > > syllabus should be up by the weekend.
> >> > > >
> >> > > > thanks,
> >> > > > Brad Ellis
> >> > > > CCIE#5796 (R&S / Security)
> >> > > > CCSI# 30482
> >> > > > CEO / President
> >> > > > CCBOOTCAMP - A Cisco Sponsored Organization (SO)
> >> > > > Email: brad@ccbootcamp.com
> >> > > > Toll Free: 877-654-2243
> >> > > > Direct: +1-702-968-5100 = Outside the USA
> >> > > > FAX: +1-702-446-8012
> >> > > > YES! We take Cisco Learning Credits!
> >> > > > Training And Remote Racks: http://www.ccbootcamp.com
> >> > > >
> >> > > > -----Original Message-----
> >> > > > From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On
> >> Behalf
> >> > Of
> >> > > > Scott Morris
> >> > > > Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2008 4:41 PM
> >> > > > To: pampinero@gmail.com; Brad Ellis; 'Cisco certification'
> >> > > > Subject: FW: CCDE Study Materials
> >> > > >
> >> > > > The voices in my head have said that <
> http://www.cisco.com/go/ccde
> >> >
> >> > > > www.cisco.com/go/ccde should contain the blueprint. If the
> class's
> >> > > > blueprint varies, there would be gaps in your knowledge!
> >> > > >
> >> > > > Since they wanted to be approved, I'm sure they stuck with the
> >> > > > blueprint.
> >> > > >
> >> > > >
> >> > > > Scott Morris, CCIE4 #4713, JNCIE-M #153, JNCIS-ER, CISSP, et al.
> >> > > > CCSI/JNCI-M/JNCI-ER
> >> > > > Senior CCIE Instructor
> >> > > >
> >> > > > smorris@internetworkexpert.com
> >> > > >
> >> > > >
> >> > > >
> >> > > > Knowledge is power.
> >> > > > Power corrupts.
> >> > > > Study hard and be Eeeeviiiil......
> >> > > >
> >> > > >
> >> > > > _____
> >> > > >
> >> > > > From: "Pamela Pinero" <pampinero@gmail.com>
> >> > > >
> >> > > > Date: November 4, 2008 7:05:49 PM EST
> >> > > > To: "'Brad Ellis'" <brad@ccbootcamp.com>, "'Cisco
> certification'"
> >> > > > <ccielab@groupstudy.com>
> >> > > > Subject: RE: CCDE Study Materials
> >> > > > Reply-To: "Pamela Pinero" <pampinero@gmail.com>
> >> > > >
> >> > > > Thank you. The Russ White book will be a good place for me to
> start.
> >> Do
> >> > > > you
> >> > > > have a syllabus for your written boot camp?
> >> > > >
> >> > > > -----Original Message-----
> >> > > > From: Brad Ellis [mailto:brad@ccbootcamp.com]
> >> > > > Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2008 4:01 PM
> >> > > > To: Pamela Pinero; Cisco certification
> >> > > > Subject: RE: CCDE Study Materials
> >> > > >
> >> > > > Pamela,
> >> > > >
> >> > > > Hi! Those list of books are pretty good. The most effective book
> on
> >> the
> >> > > > list is the one by Russ White, Optimal Routing Design; he is one
> of
> >> the
> >> > > > CCDE SME's (subject matter experts). The link to the Cisco press
> >> book:
> >> > > > http://www.ciscopress.com/bookstore/product.asp?isbn=1587051877
> >> > > >
> >> > > > We do have a CCDE written study guide that is in the process of
> >> being
> >> > > > updated and is about 50% of the way there.
> >> > > >
> >> > > > If you are looking for instructor led training for CCDE, we
> >> submitted
> >> > > > our CCDE written boot camp materials to Cisco a few months ago,
> and
> >> got
> >> > > > the "stamp of approval" on our content just recently. Per Cisco,
> we
> >> are
> >> > > > the only Cisco approved CCDE training vendor in the world. They
> have
> >> > > > not
> >> > > > reviewed anyone else's content. We are in the process of updating
> >> our
> >> > > > website to reflect the new approved CCDE training course. The
> >> website
> >> > > > should be updated within the next couple days:
> >> > > > http://www.ccbootcamp.com/instructor-led-training/ccde.html
> >> > > >
> >> > > > Feel free and email me offlist and I will let you know when the
> CCDE
> >> > > > written study guide is finished with the update.
> >> > > >
> >> > > > thanks,
> >> > > > Brad Ellis
> >> > > > CCIE#5796 (R&S / Security)
> >> > > > CCSI# 30482
> >> > > > CEO / President
> >> > > > CCBOOTCAMP - A Cisco Sponsored Organization (SO)
> >> > > > Email: brad@ccbootcamp.com
> >> > > > Toll Free: 877-654-2243
> >> > > > International: +1-702-968-5100
> >> > > > Skype: skype:ccbootcamp?call
> >> > > > FAX: +1-702-446-8012
> >> > > > YES! We take Cisco Learning Credits!
> >> > > > Training And Remote Racks: http://www.ccbootcamp.com
> >> > > >
> >> > > > -----Original Message-----
> >> > > > From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On
> >> Behalf
> >> > Of
> >> > > > Pamela Pinero
> >> > > > Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2008 2:14 PM
> >> > > > To: 'Cisco certification'
> >> > > > Subject: CCDE Study Materials
> >> > > >
> >> > > > Team, I am thinking of changing from my CCIE pursuit to CCDE. I
> went
> >> > > > through
> >> > > > Cisco's website, found a list of recommended reading:
> >> > > > http://www.cisco.com/web/learning/le3/ccde/booklist.html But I
> was
> >> > > > really
> >> > > > wanting some more concise information since there are so many
> books
> >> to
> >> > > > read.
> >> > > > What is everyone using to study for the first exam? Are you
> reading
> >> all
> >> > > > of
> >> > > > those books? Is there an easier way to study?
> >> > > >
> >> > > >
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