From: Atlanta CCIE (atlantaccie@gmail.com)
Date: Wed Nov 05 2008 - 01:11:26 ARST
Agreed Darby.
On Tue, Nov 4, 2008 at 9:39 PM, Darby Weaver <ccie.weaver@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hey guys having just interviewed with a few nicer companies in my own state
> it was interesting to hear about CCIE's or maybe just CCNP's (but I'll
> safely quote what I was told) did not know how to properly explain a working
> Spanning-Tree scenario. That is a sign of the times. As sure as any.
>
> Now how many know how to combat a real broadcast storm, diagnose it, and
> effectively resolve the scenario? I go this one too.
>
> I get hit here and there but not in these areas.
>
> If you look closely some CCIE's have posted some questions here that you
> think would have been covered by mostly any CCIE Program of study offered by
> the vendors on this list and elsewhere.
>
> Cheating may be rampant. It's a necessary evil as we are in a very
> connected world. However, the numbers in the USA of CCIE's are about steady
> and not quite at the 90% rate. It's still a bit of a challenge - at least
> for me anyway.
>
>
> And in the US, employers are Telco/ISP types and they are usually quite
> savvy these days, so not much chance to get in and "wing it". A job
> candidate has to be seasoned and not just with a few medals (certs), but
> also with some solid concepts of design, a firm troubleshooting methodology,
> and a general sense of finesse and confidence. A series of solid wins on
> the job at hand help as well. We all know this.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Tue, Nov 4, 2008 at 9:25 PM, Atlanta CCIE <atlantaccie@gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> Its all good. I could careless if its 100% pass rate. I have said it
>> before, CCIE# is JUST that a number and helps you get an interview. What you
>> do at the interview determines whether you get the job or not :)
>> If someone is scared about CCIE#s increasing, that tells us more about
>> THEM rather than the ccies that they are talking about. If you know you are
>> good, there is NOTHING to worry about.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Nov 4, 2008 at 8:55 PM, Wes Stevens <wrsteve33-gsccie@yahoo.com>wrote:
>>
>>> I was told by a knowledable source that the pass rate at the bejing lab
>>> was up
>>> to 90% before they implemented the prelab questionaire/interview. The
>>> interview dropped it back to the 20% range. That is not a 'preceived
>>> misconception' that is a real problem. I know that Cisco is working on
>>> it, but
>>> some of the damage is done.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ________________________________
>>> From: Darby
>>> Weaver <ccie.weaver@gmail.com>
>>> To: Wes Stevens <wrsteve33-gsccie@yahoo.com>
>>> Cc: Brad Ellis <brad@ccbootcamp.com>; Pamela Pinero <pampinero@gmail.com
>>> >;
>>> Cisco certification <ccielab@groupstudy.com>
>>> Sent: Tuesday, November 4, 2008
>>> 7:09:15 PM
>>> Subject: Re: CCDE Study Materials
>>>
>>>
>>> Rumor Control:
>>>
>>> The CCIE RS Lab
>>> is already in the process of changing... to counter any perceived
>>> misconceptions about those who just memorize the lab... or are thought
>>> to.
>>> Something about... all CCIE needing to be Re-Lab Certified or something
>>> like
>>> that.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Nov 4, 2008 at 7:52 PM, Wes Stevens
>>> <wrsteve33-gsccie@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> One of the nice things on this exam is
>>> that bootcamps IMHO will not do you much good. You are going to have a
>>> lot of
>>> experience and do a fair amount of studying on the parts that you don't
>>> deal
>>> with every day.
>>>
>>> Between the bootcamps and the braindumping that is so
>>> prevelent in some part of the world, the CCIE is really going down hill
>>> as
>>> witnessed by the explosion in the numbers. I hope that the fact that this
>>> exam
>>> changes the content completely each time it is given will protect it from
>>> the
>>> braindumps.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message ----
>>> From: Brad Ellis
>>> <brad@ccbootcamp.com>
>>> To: Pamela Pinero <pampinero@gmail.com>; Cisco
>>> certification <ccielab@groupstudy.com>
>>> Sent: Tuesday, November 4, 2008 6:00:30
>>> PM
>>> Subject: RE: CCDE Study Materials
>>>
>>>
>>> Pamela,
>>>
>>> Hi! Those list of books are
>>> pretty good. The most effective book on the
>>> list is the one by Russ White,
>>> Optimal Routing Design; he is one of the
>>> CCDE SME's (subject matter experts).
>>> The link to the Cisco press book:
>>> http://www.ciscopress.com/bookstore/product.asp?isbn=1587051877
>>>
>>> We do have a
>>> CCDE written study guide that is in the process of being
>>> updated and is about
>>> 50% of the way there.
>>>
>>> If you are looking for instructor led training for
>>> CCDE, we submitted
>>> our CCDE written boot camp materials to Cisco a few months
>>> ago, and got
>>> the "stamp of approval" on our content just recently. Per Cisco,
>>> we are
>>> the only Cisco approved CCDE training vendor in the world. They have
>>> not
>>> reviewed anyone else's content. We are in the process of updating our
>>> website to reflect the new approved CCDE training course. The website
>>> should
>>> be updated within the next couple days:
>>> http://www.ccbootcamp.com/instructor-led-training/ccde.html
>>>
>>> Feel free and
>>> email me offlist and I will let you know when the CCDE
>>> written study guide is
>>> finished with the update.
>>>
>>> thanks,
>>> Brad Ellis
>>> CCIE#5796 (R&S / Security)
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>>> -----Original
>>> Message-----
>>> From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On
>>> Behalf Of
>>> Pamela Pinero
>>> Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2008 2:14 PM
>>> To: 'Cisco
>>> certification'
>>> Subject: CCDE Study Materials
>>>
>>> Team, I am thinking of changing
>>> from my CCIE pursuit to CCDE. I went
>>> through
>>> Cisco's website, found a list of
>>> recommended reading:
>>> http://www.cisco.com/web/learning/le3/ccde/booklist.html
>>> But I was
>>> really
>>> wanting some more concise information since there are so many
>>> books to
>>> read.
>>> What is everyone using to study for the first exam? Are you
>>> reading all
>>> of
>>> those books? Is there an easier way to study?
>>>
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