From: Scott Morris (swm@emanon.com)
Date: Tue Nov 04 2008 - 00:28:29 ARST
From a "testing perspective" the CCIE tracks are concerned with implementing
based on provided tasks. CCDE, as you noted, is concerned about designs.
If the CCIE-DC were concerned with design, your lab would simply be "build a
data center". :)
Are you able to get out of work (or have your employer think it's a good
idea to be out of productive work) for 6-12 months?
All DC's don't employ all of those technologies. All CCIE tracks don't cover
every single piece of building every single network.
Somewhere lines have to be drawn for "most commonly occuring" technologies.
Just my two cents.
Scott
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From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
Darby Weaver
Sent: Monday, November 03, 2008 8:46 PM
To: Scott Morris
Cc: Gary Duncanson; Marc La Porte; tonyedwards.rs@gmail.com; Cisco
certification
Subject: Re: CCIE in Data Centre Technologies ???
Well....
If Data Centers do not require any "Design"... and that's not what the CCDE
is about...
Or there is no plans to cover this aspect of the career, then what's the
point?
I mean every Data Center requires a CCIE+++ or a CCIE with a few disciplines
outside of just the scope of any one CCIE Track.
Mostly every Data Center / Co-Lo I've worked on so far requires Security, RS
and what I'd at least like to think of as CCDE...
Not to mention some that I needed skills that are covered by SP, Content
Networking/Load Balancers, and even Wireless in the case where the Wireless
Controllers are located at the Data Center as well as on premises.
Never mind Storage Area Networking skills - crucial in the Data Center.
Then the interaction with VMWare Server Environments.
Guys... the Virtual Data Center is not a myth and it is no..."Unicorn", it
exists today.
Who here has 7 CCIE's and specializations with Content Networking and at
least one flavor of Load Balancer?
CCIE RS
CCDE
CCIE Security
CCIE Wireless
CCIE SAN
CCIE Voice
CCIE Service Provider
And oh yes... the 6500 and it's options needs to be covered in depth by
some track... It's the center of the universe.
Now some of us get experience with them along the way. But how many of us
are formerly trained in devices that comprise the "Current Data Center"
environment?
Really if Cisco does not brand a certification for such a person aka an
Architect, then are they waiting for CompTIA to do it for them?
I suppose it's taken this long just to get 20,000 people certified as
CCIE's...
And there is the belief that CCIE's know everything already anyway I
suppose.
But I do here a lot of CCIE's complaining about what they are interviewed on
and what others have expected them to know even though it is not in the
Blueprint but is in many environments.
So there is this HUGE and I mean HUGE gap between a Real Data Center and the
CCIE Lab.
I had not even looked at the CCDE Blueprint yet to tell the truth, but I
kind of hoped it covered the SRND's and CVD's to some degree of depth.
Guess I better go check again...
Meanwhile, I'm chalking all the time I can in Campus, Enterprise, and Data
Centers that are chocked full of chassis-based Switches like the 6500 series
and the 4500 series and eventually the Nexus Series. I'd suggest others
consider doing the same. There's definately a market for them.
Yes, I know that there are training providers like Global Knowledge and
KnowledgeNet that cover the Data Center is bits and pieces.
But there really needs to be a 6-12 month Training Program just for
Enterprise Data Centers. In my experience thus far, I always find myself
learning and re-learning more and more and not getting sleep trying to keep
up with or resolve issues in these environments. I can't be the only one.
On Mon, Nov 3, 2008 at 11:44 AM, Scott Morris <
smorris@internetworkexpert.com> wrote:
> Designing and implementing are two different concepts! :)
>
> Scott
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf
> Of Gary Duncanson
> Sent: Monday, November 03, 2008 9:03 AM
> To: Marc La Porte
> Cc: tonyedwards.rs@gmail.com; Cisco certification
> Subject: Re: CCIE in Data Centre Technologies ???
>
> What is this all about? Are such things not covered in the new design
> track?
>
> Gary
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Marc La Porte" <marc.a.laporte@gmail.com>
> To: "Tony Edwards" <tonyedwards.rs@gmail.com>
> Cc: <ccielab@groupstudy.com>
> Sent: Monday, November 03, 2008 8:47 AM
> Subject: Re: CCIE in Data Centre Technologies ???
>
>
> >A great thought... I am up for it!
> >
> > On Mon, Nov 3, 2008 at 9:41 AM, Tony Edwards
> > <tonyedwards.rs@gmail.com>wrote:
> >
> >> Hi GS,
> >>
> >> I was wondering is any one know on the possibility of Cisco
> >> releasing their CCIE LAB cert on DC Technologies ?
> >>
> >> Besides UC (even I doubt how far Cisco can withstand MS's OCS
> >> onslaught over next 5 years or so) , I reckon over next few years ,
> >> the DC Technologies will have a big scope , not just on the Current
> >> Storage track, but the whole range of technologies covering DC R &
> >> S topics with SUPs + DWDMs +
> Server
> >> blades & Virtualization+ WAN Optimization + Enterprise DC
> >> Internet/DMZ Multihoming & SANs(storage) + IDS / NAM / 6606 blades on
CAT6K ..etc.
> >>
> >> With 10GE edge port capable Nexus boxes in the market already , it
> >> looks like Cisco is now focusing heavily on all these DC
> >> Technologies.Perhaps
> ,
> >> Cisco can Test all these above mentioned technologies in the CCIE
> >> DC Written test and in the DC LAB exam , since they can not test
> >> all , they can focus on 3 or 4 Core technologies such as DC R & S +
> >> Storage + Server Virtualization + some Security or Voice
> >> features.Personally though , if at all Cisco releases this DC track
> >> , in my humble opinion , it can add lot more value to the
> >> candidates & the Business community alike when
> compared
> >> to
> >> RS Track.
> >>
> >> tony
> >>
> >>
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