From: Scott Morris (swm@emanon.com)
Date: Sat Nov 01 2008 - 21:46:49 ARST
Since you were nice enough to post to some blogs as well as to the mailing
list, I'll respond here a little as well.
You appear to have a decent amount of internal information, which is
interesting, but some serious shortcomings in connecting the dots together.
It could simply be a counting problem, but I'm not going to bother with it
anyway since you have already reached whatever conclusion you are going to
come to. I'll try not to let facts get in the way of that.
Now, your opinion about IE, or what constitutes spamming, or whatever
version of details and how things are interpreted is one thing... But going
and making some brash assertions that you clearly know nothing about and
making things personal is an entirely different ballgame.
Mostly, I'm referring to "Real world examples? Yeah, right. NONE of the IE
instructors are IN the real world! They all do nothing but teach."
Now, I'll try to be sure and tell my consulting clients about that (after
they pay their bills though) so they can share in the amusement. And I'll
get myself lots of extra sleep by not having to help people out during
obscene maintenance windows (which, I don't care what timezone they're in,
it's always evil!). I'm so glad you could alter my reality in that fashion.
I must have been sorely mistaken in what my reality was. How silly of me
not to ask.
All of the other instructors have done consulting at one time or another.
Some on some fairly major clients/projects as well. I'll be sure to pass
along how mistaken they were in their realities as well.
Being that I don't know much about you, it stuns me how much you may know
about me or my capabilities.
I get it. It's back to the interpretation of some little details in order
to construct a reality. Before you try to make brash assertions, especially
ones that are of a personal nature, it may be a good idea to load thy brain
before firing thy mouth (fingers).
Just my two cents on the subject. Gotta go though, I have a conference call
about some issues that aren't occuring with a consulting client I don't
have. :)
Scott Morris, CCIE4 #4713, JNCIE-M #153, JNCIS-ER, CISSP, et al.
CCSI/JNCI-M/JNCI-ER
Senior CCIE Instructor
smorris@internetworkexpert.com
Knowledge is power.
Power corrupts.
Study hard and be Eeeeviiiil......
-----Original Message-----
From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
Sandra Davis
Sent: Friday, October 31, 2008 12:35 PM
To: 'Narbik Kocharians'
Cc: ccielab@groupstudy.com
Subject: RE: IE Announcement
IE's announcement - complete bullshit
Internetwork Expert was not "selected" to be a part of the program. IE
applied to be a part of the program
under tech 2000. THEY LOST the RFP!!! Plain and simple.
Yes, a CLP can offer training in multiple markets if they meet the
requirements.
Investment protection? Scholarship program? Hell yes, you can give away
training, you just have to pay cisco for the royalties.
The TRUTH is that IE would have to pay royalties to deliver Cisco CCIE
classes and pay royalties for workbooks.
So, YES, this IS about money! Don't believe the bullshit in the
presentation.
The number of kits comment is complete crap. There is no longer a kit
requirement.
Don't want to flaunt out in public?! Then why mention how much $ you are
doing?! Come on!
Nothing against Cisco? WTF! Of course you have to have Cisco equipment
because you offer Cisco grey market
training.
Scrapping products? UNTRUE! You can "compliment" the current 360 offering
with current products.
Lower level certification classes you can develop pre-class study material
to make sure the student has the proper
knowledge prior to entering a class.
IE is suggesting shortcuts for becoming a CCIE. No concern for actual
learning!
Nice slide! "Customer Success Manages" was supposed to be Customer Success
Managers. Great proof reading!
If classes are as bad as this presentation, then their classes must suck.
Mailing list issues? IE is one of the biggest issues that spams the hell out
of mailing lists!!!
Customer blogs vendor neutral? My ass!
Real world examples? Yeah, right. NONE of the IE instructors are IN the real
world! They all do nothing but teach.
CCNA in 6 months? If it takes someone 6 months to get a CCNA, they should
look into a different line of work.
This was basically ONE BIG F*N INFOMMERCIAL!!!! CRAP!!!
-----Original Message-----
From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
Narbik Kocharians
Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2008 2:55 PM
To: L. Jankok
Cc: Brian McGahan; asequeira@internetworkexpert.com; ccielab@groupstudy.com
Subject: Re: IE Announcement
unbelievable.....Unbelievable
On Thu, Oct 30, 2008 at 12:59 PM, L. Jankok <ljankok@gmail.com> wrote:
> Great, I am viewing :)
>
> 2008/10/30 Brian McGahan <bmcgahan@internetworkexpert.com>
>
> > The recording can be viewed here:
> > http://ieclass.internetworkexpert.com/p95047727/
> >
> > More info will be posted on the details of the updates soon.
> >
> > Thanks!
> >
> > Brian McGahan, CCIE #8593 (R&S/SP/Security)
> > bmcgahan@internetworkexpert.com
> >
> > Internetwork Expert, Inc.
> > http://www.InternetworkExpert.com
> > <http://www.internetworkexpert.com/> <
> http://www.internetworkexpert.com/>
> > Toll Free: 877-224-8987 x 705
> > Outside US: 775-826-4344 x 705
> >
> >
> > L. Jankok wrote:
> >
> > I am viewing Diego now, together with my 3 year old son :D
> >
> > 2008/10/30 Anthony Sequeira <asequeira@internetworkexpert.com> <
> asequeira@internetworkexpert.com>
> >
> > So sorry you experienced a problem with your live viewing. We will
> > be
> sure
> > to make the recording available to all very soon.
> >
> >
> > Warmest regards,
> >
> > Anthony J. Sequeira, CCIE #15626, CCSI #23251 Senior CCIE Instructor
> > asequeira@internetworkexpert.com
> >
> > Internetwork Expert, Inc.
> > http://www.InternetworkExpert.com
> > <http://www.internetworkexpert.com/> <
> http://www.internetworkexpert.com/>
> <http://www.internetworkexpert.com/> <
> http://www.internetworkexpert.com/>
> >
> > Toll Free: 877-224-8987
> > Outside US: 775-826-4344
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "L. Jankok" <ljankok@gmail.com> <ljankok@gmail.com>
> > Sent: Thu, October 30, 2008 12:55
> > Subject:Re: IE Announcement
> >
> > Well... I was in watching the presentation, than my screen went
> > blank so
> I
> > hitted F5 and got a page telling me that the meeting is already in
> > progress.. pretty dissapointing :(
> >
> > 2008/10/30 Atlanta CCIE <atlantaccie@gmail.com>
> > <atlantaccie@gmail.com>
> >
> > I was not able to login either. Says recording will be posted
> > lol
> >
> > On Thu, Oct 30, 2008 at 2:02 PM, Mike Leske
> > <mike.leske@googlemail.com
> >
> > wrote:
> >
> >
> > I already got a mail stating that two many registered for the event.
> > I have to wait un
> >
> >
> > 2008/10/30 Andrew Dempsey <apdccie@gmail.com> <apdccie@gmail.com>
> >
> > Pretty sure the news will hit this list within minutes anyway.
> >
> > On Thu, Oct 30, 2008 at 1:52 PM, Ali Mousawi <mousawi.ali@gmail.com>
> > <
> mousawi.ali@gmail.com>
> >
> > > > > wrote:
> >
> >
> > it seems no place for non IE customers :(
> >
> >
> > On Thu, Oct 30, 2008 at 10:49 AM, Rick Mur <murserver@me.com> <
> murserver@me.com>
> >
> > wrote:
> >
> >
> > Don't know if I break some NDA for it but:
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > http://ieclass.internetworkexpert.com/announcement/?launcher=false
> >
> > log-in with your standard classroom account
> >
> >
> > On 30 okt 2008, at 18:46, Ali Mousawi wrote:
> >
> > Hello,
> >
> >
> > Is the announcment in 15 mins? I signed up but how will i join i
> >
> >
> > didnt
> >
> >
> > get
> >
> >
> > any link?
> >
> >
> > Blogs and organic groups at http://www.ccie.net
> >
> >
> >
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